The OFFICIAL Trump/HRC/2016 General Election Thread...

[Cemetery-man]

I imagine liberals across the nation are cheering and dancing a victory dance as Trump's party and endorsements abandon him. As I watched WNDU, I fully expected high-fives from the anchors as they fought back their smiles.

 

[BugI02]

You say that as if you think the people who don't want Trump actually want Hillary, and that they'll take Hillary over Trump because we can work together to mitigate the damage.

That's not the case. The situation is this. I see it as needing to work together to mitigate the damage done by whichever is the winner. Right now that's probably gonna be Hillary. As it stands, I'm voting straight ticket Republican, except I reserve the right to write in Al Bundy for POTUS because I think he Trump is every bit as dangerous to individual liberty as Hillary Clinton.

Well, there is that whole Actions v Words thing. Forgive me, but I must address the next point on a personal level. You have worked against Trump, but what have you worked for?

You supported other candidates in the primaries which is as it should be. But when Trump won the nomination, according to the rules extant, against the massed friendly fire of his own party - what then?

Did you cleave to the maxim 'Ideology in the primary, party in the general' or did you continue to function as a fifth columnist, digging at any foundation of Trump's popularity that you thought you could reach? To what effect? What did you think the result of such actions might be, other than self-declared clean hands?

Unless you were out there supporting Johnson, you cannot say you didn't want Hillary, because your actions belie your words

MrJ has cleaner hands than you

 

[Jludo]

i completely disagree. They did not make him. His comments resonated with the people and he made himself. The media did not vote for trump, they slammed his immigration comments and he vaulted to the top. They trashed him and he launched right back at the media and his supporters loved him for it.

they have tried numerous times to take him out, yet here he is holding rallies for 10,000 people. Hillary can't draw 500.

i completely agree the media is absurd and can basically elect the democrat every cycle no matter who they are. Imm hoping with trump running this will break the republican problem of abandoning their people when anything potentially bad is revealed. Just accept everyone is human and move on, don't kick them to the curb for stupidity. Like Trent Lott at Strom thurmond's burthday. Absolutely stupid.

Im not a fan of that argument, as if how large a rally they can draw Is somehow indicative of of anything. He's a reality TV star, of course his WWE fan base wants to come see what he might do next. Hilary is despised by nearly as many people but no one cares enough to go hear her speak as she'll be spewing the same scripted generic bs.

 

[jamil]

They couldn't beat him in their own primary system. He was stronger than all of them and the entire GOP. There is no reason to believe, other than wishful thinking, that any of them would have a chance in hell to beat Hillary. And they are now working with Hillary to protect their status quo.

Too bad so many just want to jump on that bandwagon.

The "they" of the primaries is not the "they of the general voting populous. The GOP primary produced a candidate that is much less electable to the people who aren't in the GOP and did not even get a majority of the GOP vote. The only reason Trump has at times been competitive is the fact that Hillary is just that bad. That is the simple reality.

I'm not on any bandwagon. I'm not a joiner. I'm not with Hillary. I'm not with Trump. I'm not fiercely loyal to any politician or any politician. I won't be ridiculed or shamed or coerced into such loyalty. I think it is dangerous for anyone to be fiercely loyal to such. I am pragmatic to a point that serves my and my family's best interest, but there is a point where principle is greater than pragmatism. If I'm going to be fiercely loyal to anything it will be the principles I believe in. Neither Trump nor any politician qualifies for my fierce loyalty.

 

[j706]

You know you are living in a warped world where private words spoken between two men gets more attention than a know lifelong criminal that goes from one scandal to the next. Where the same people that support partial birth abortions (or abortions at all) and sodomy between men (just to name a few) act appalled at a few sentences spoken in private. Simply unbelievable. Most people routinely hear worst things said in the movies they watch but yet act surprised and shocked to hear this Trump recording. IMO as long as Trumps name is on the ballot come November there is NO other choice. It isn't even a close call. Some people need to put their big boy pants on. This Trump video is not even news worthy. To think it is IMO falling right into the desperate liberals little trap.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

To me, its not about the press, Trump, or Clinton. It's about SCOTUS and our Constitution. Four more years of Dem "leadership" will be the end for us.

Not buying this angle, because Trump routinely attacks GOP that are running for House/Senate. He doesn't care about having a majority. That's not someone that cares about the country, at all.

So, him staying in this race... and continuing to attack GOP leaders that are running for re-election... is 100% selfish, and benefits no one. Him staying in guarantees a Clinton victory, and him attacking the GOP helps a Democrat majority.

So I go back to my concern months ago... Is he running like a Republican that wants to win? Or is he still a former Democrat trying to guarantee a Democrat victory in the White House and Congress? If not the latter, what would he be doing differently?

Lot of people saying "yeah but he's not hillary, and I have to vote for him as a chance to save the country...." blah blah blah. No, the damage is already done. This was decided when he won the primary. You were fooled, and it doesn't matter who you vote for now. Clinton wins, Democrats win, we lose.

 

[jamil]

Well, there is that whole Actions v Words thing. Forgive me, but I must address the next point on a personal level. You have worked against Trump, but what have you worked for?

You supported other candidates in the primaries which is as it should be. But when Trump won the nomination, according to the rules extant, against the massed friendly fire of his own party - what then?

Did you cleave to the maxim 'Ideology in the primary, party in the general' or did you continue to function as a fifth columnist, digging at any foundation of Trump's popularity that you thought you could reach? To what effect? What did you think the result of such actions might be, other than self-declared clean hands?

Unless you were out there supporting Johnson, you cannot say you didn't want Hillary, because your actions belie your words

MrJ has cleaner hands than you

A note to Mods. It may seem this conversation is becoming less than cordial. I don't view it that way. I hope bug doesn't either. To me, we're just talking through ideas on a personal level. There is no animosity.

So, Bug, here's the deal.

I have spoken out in favor of my interests, ideals and principles. My political views are far from both Trump and Hillary. I side with Johnson on 88% of his positions. With Trump 48%. Hillary only 10%. It does not follow that not supporting Johnson means I actually want Hillary. Look at the numbers. My actions are in perfect conjunction with my ideals, which are furthest from Hillary's especially when you consider this:

I don't support Johnson because the areas of disagreement I have with him are deep and fundamental AND I can't stand him. I don't support Trump because I don't agree with him on most things, AND I can't stand him. I don't support Hillary because I don't agree with her on nearly everything, and I can't stand her.

You seem to think that I should be either fiercely loyal to Trump or Hillary or Johnson. I'm sorry but I just don't fit into any of those pigeonholes. I am not a democrat. I am not a republican. I am not "alt-right". I am not a nationalist. I'm not a socialist. I am not a progressive libertarian. I am foremost an individualist. I am not a Trumper. And I'm not with her. And I don't feel the Johnson. I think Trump and Hillary and Johnson are all dangerous to my values in different ways. Just because I'm not one of you does not mean I am one of Hillary's. That is just simply the absurdity of binary thinking.

 

[Jludo]

You know you are living in a warped world where private words spoken between two men gets more attention than a know lifelong criminal that goes from one scandal to the next. Where the same people that support partial birth abortions (or abortions at all) and sodomy between men (just to name a few) act appalled at a few sentences spoken in private. Simply unbelievable. Most people routinely hear worst things said in the movies they watch but yet act surprised and shocked to hear this Trump recording. IMO as long as Trumps name is on the ballot come November there is NO other choice. It isn't even a close call. Some people need to put their big boy pants on. This Trump video is not even news worthy. To think it is IMO falling right into the desperate liberals little trap.

I have to ask if Trump shot random people on 5th Ave would he still have your vote?

 

[jamil]

You know you are living in a warped world where private words spoken between two men gets more attention than a know lifelong criminal that goes from one scandal to the next. Where the same people that support partial birth abortions (or abortions at all) and sodomy between men (just to name a few) act appalled at a few sentences spoken in private. Simply unbelievable. Most people routinely hear worst things said in the movies they watch but yet act surprised and shocked to hear this Trump recording. IMO as long as Trumps name is on the ballot come November there is NO other choice. It isn't even a close call. Some people need to put their big boy pants on. This Trump video is not even news worthy. To think it is IMO falling right into the desperate liberals little trap.

I agree that it is absurd that a person who tried to hide her dealings in the most powerful cabinet position, and obstructed justice to cover it up, isn't dominating the whole election cycle. Probably would have been better to nominate a candidate who wasn't on Hillary's wish list of easiest Republican candidates to marginalize.

 

[printcraft]

[video=youtube;YtDGE-3JkkQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtDGE-3JkkQ[/video]


Report: Bill Clinton Flew on Jeffrey Epstein's Jet Without Secret Service Detail - Breitbart

It's just little sex.......

and by little sex I mean with minors...........

 

[jamil]

[video=youtube;YtDGE-3JkkQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtDGE-3JkkQ[/video]


Report: Bill Clinton Flew on Jeffrey Epstein's Jet Without Secret Service Detail - Breitbart

It's just little sex.......

and by little sex I mean with minors...........

If only people cared about that.

 

[Alpo]

A man who would brag about assaulting women and getting away with it 11 years ago does not change his behavior in the ensuing years unless he is stopped. He's still rich. He's still a celebrity. He is still assaulting women.

I can understand Hillary thinking a private server was preferable than a govt server under FOIA. However, the flaw in her approach is that you should never write anything down (or record it as part of your legacy) at all. Did no one learn a lesson from Dick Nixon? Hillary has bunker thinking. I guess if I was attacked by the right full time for 30 years, I might develop a similar mindset. It's a terrible way to live, but that may be the nature of modern government. We end up with the best people afraid to serve because of continuous assault and, in their stead, we substitute the mediocre, the vain and the psychotic.

 

[printcraft]

"I'm going to do that "Trump thing" to you later."

 

[dusty88]

As shown in the leaked Hillary speeches, the parties are two sides of the same big-business globalist coin. They never wanted Trump to win but they couldn't stop the people from voting for him. Their hands got dirty when they started to conspire with Hillary.

I think the media very much wanted him to win the primary. Do you remember how much attention he got? I believe he received most of that without spending any money. His blustering was attractive to a certain crowd, and that is what the media understands. They knew they were pumping up a Jerry Springer show.

I agree that we needed something outside the Jeb Bush/Rubio type. They were just going to be more of the same. But we weren't going to get it from the Republican party in any good way. It took a loudmouth reality TV star to basically overthrow the Republican party. So that part is good; that doesn't make him a good president. His behavior is bad, he has no qualifications, he has no consistency. All he has is a known name, a spot on the ballot and he is not Hillary. If you were voting for the only guy that had a chance to be "not Hillary" I can get that. But now he is unelectable.

Why endorse him?

 

[printcraft]

I think the media very much wanted him to win the primary. Do you remember how much attention he got? I believe he received most of that without spending any money. His blustering was attractive to a certain crowd, and that is what the media understands. They knew they were pumping up a Jerry Springer show.

I agree that we needed something outside the Jeb Bush/Rubio type. They were just going to be more of the same. But we weren't going to get it from the Republican party in any good way. It took a loudmouth reality TV star to basically overthrow the Republican party. So that part is good; that doesn't make him a good president. His behavior is bad, he has no qualifications, he has no consistency. All he has is a known name, a spot on the ballot and he is not Hillary. If you were voting for the only guy that had a chance to be "not Hillary" I can get that. But now he is unelectable.

Why endorse him?

You have to start cutting away those shackles to be able to throw them off. Trump is a message to the GOPe and others that people are sick of business as usual in D.C.
They made their own bed when they bent over backwards for obama after running on opposing him.
D.C. the land of broken promises.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

! it did need to be bigger!​

 

[printcraft]

EXACTLY!

 

[1DOWN4UP]

You have to start cutting away those shackles to be able to throw them off. Trump is a message to the GOPe and others that people are sick of business as usual in D.C.
They made their own bed when they bent over backwards for obama after running on opposing him.
D.C. the land of broken promises.

You forgot about them ridiculing and playing dirty tricks on the TeaParty after bringing them millions of votes, or always promising to take care of that problem " right after my next election."I does suck when someone beats you at your own game.Long live being "Deplorable."

 

[dusty88]

You say that as if you think the people who don't want Trump actually want Hillary, and that they'll take Hillary over Trump because we can work together to mitigate the damage.

That's not the case. The situation is this. I see it as needing to work together to mitigate the damage done by whichever is the winner. Right now that's probably gonna be Hillary. As it stands, I'm voting straight ticket Republican, except I reserve the right to write in Al Bundy for POTUS because I think he Trump is every bit as dangerous to individual liberty as Hillary Clinton.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jamil again."

Zactly

I'm not as Republican as some of you are, but most of us here share similar goals of individual liberty.

Trump's train has went off the rails. Stop trying to recover it. (whatever your vote)

Focus on the other seats. And regardless of who is elected, focus on the Senate when it comes time for confirmation hearings.

Also decide if the NRA is really our best path to influence such things. They have been a very successful citizen lobby, but they are one of the many groups that will have to make decisions after they lick their wounds. Their choice with Trump was questionable, and I don't just say that because I don't support him. He had zero history of supporting gun rights. They took him purely because he was the Republican nominee. I understand why they did not endorse Johnson, but they refuse to even give third parties a rating. I don't know where they go from here, but we should all keep our eyes open for additional opportunities to continue a PEACEFUL revolution.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jamil again."

Zactly

I'm not as Republican as some of you are, but most of us here share similar goals of individual liberty.

Trump's train has went off the rails. Stop trying to recover it. (whatever your vote)

Focus on the other seats. And regardless of who is elected, focus on the Senate when it comes time for confirmation hearings.

Also decide if the NRA is really our best path to influence such things. They have been a very successful citizen lobby, but they are one of the many groups that will have to make decisions after they lick their wounds. Their choice with Trump was questionable, and I don't just say that because I don't support him. He had zero history of supporting gun rights. They took him purely because he was the Republican nominee. I understand why they did not endorse Johnson, but they refuse to even give third parties a rating. I don't know where they go from here, but we should all keep our eyes open for additional opportunities to continue a PEACEFUL revolution.

Do you not understand that the Anti-GOP Trump is the 3rd party?