The OFFICIAL Trump/HRC/2016 General Election Thread...

[dusty88]

You have to start cutting away those shackles to be able to throw them off. Trump is a message to the GOPe and others that people are sick of business as usual in D.C.
They made their own bed when they bent over backwards for obama after running on opposing him.
D.C. the land of broken promises.

True.

I'm not unhappy about the Republicans blowing up. I would rather it were the Democrats, but it's a start. Whether or not the next step is a short-term improvment though remains to be seen.

The country is divided. We can fix it peacefully or much uglier things will happen sometime in the next few decades.

 

[printcraft]

True.

I'm not unhappy about the Republicans blowing up. I would rather it were the Democrats, but it's a start. Whether or not the next step is a short-term improvment though remains to be seen.

The country is divided. We can fix it peacefully or much uglier things will happen sometime in the next few decades.

demoncrat blowup started too with the bernie kids getting sent home via fraud.
The seeds are there.
Unfortunately on that side of the aisle the convictions are easily manipulated and pulled back to the party elite (see bernie endorsing clinton).

 

[jamil]

A man who would brag about assaulting women and getting away with it 11 years ago does not change his behavior in the ensuing years unless he is stopped. He's still rich. He's still a celebrity. He is still assaulting women.

I can understand Hillary thinking a private server was preferable than a govt server under FOIA. However, the flaw in her approach is that you should never write anything down (or record it as part of your legacy) at all. Did no one learn a lesson from Dick Nixon? Hillary has bunker thinking. I guess if I was attacked by the right full time for 30 years, I might develop a similar mindset. It's a terrible way to live, but that may be the nature of modern government. We end up with the best people afraid to serve because of continuous assault and, in their stead, we substitute the mediocre, the vain and the psychotic.

I agree with the first part. Last part, nah. I think it's possible to govern without having to cover up your dirty dealings if you don't have dirty dealings to cover up. Dirty dealings aren't a necessary part of governing. She didn't HAVE to do pay for play.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

It has been interesting ,everyone have a good day,and enjoy the Debates Tonite.I have chores to do,and I do not "expect anyone else to do them.". Good day!

 

[dusty88]

Do you not understand that the Anti-GOP Trump is the 3rd party?

I disagree with you on that point, though I understand the intent. Choosing a lying buffoon with no real qualifications can blow up a party, but he can't lead a movement, a new party, or even be a quality president. He's just a destroyer.

 

[printcraft]

It has been interesting ,everyone have a good day,and enjoy the Debates Tonite.I have chores to do,and I do not "expect anyone else to do them.". Good day!

That's not the new American way!!!!

 

[dusty88]

demoncrat blowup started too with the bernie kids getting sent home via fraud.
The seeds are there.
Unfortunately on that side of the aisle the convictions are easily manipulated and pulled back to the party elite (see bernie endorsing clinton).

Agreed

But ultimately for a republic to survive the citizens must do their part

That's the true floor that has fallen through and likely won't be recovered

 

[Alpo]

I agree with the first part. Last part, nah. I think it's possible to govern without having to cover up your dirty dealings if you don't have dirty dealings to cover up. Dirty dealings aren't a necessary part of governing. She didn't HAVE to do pay for play.

Yes, it certainly is possible. As a general rule, there is a single dynamic individual in each pair. I think Bill had/has the charisma. Hillary is the Sancho Panza to Bill's Quixote. In this case, she's as greedy as a Borgia.

 

[BugI02]

A note to Mods. It may seem this conversation is becoming less than cordial. I don't view it that way. I hope bug doesn't either. To me, we're just talking through ideas on a personal level. There is no animosity.

So, Bug, here's the deal.

I have spoken out in favor of my interests, ideals and principles. My political views are far from both Trump and Hillary. I side with Johnson on 88% of his positions. With Trump 48%. Hillary only 10%. It does not follow that not supporting Johnson means I actually want Hillary. Look at the numbers. My actions are in perfect conjunction with my ideals, which are furthest from Hillary's especially when you consider this:

I don't support Johnson because the areas of disagreement I have with him are deep and fundamental AND I can't stand him. I don't support Trump because I don't agree with him on most things, AND I can't stand him. I don't support Hillary because I don't agree with her on nearly everything, and I can't stand her.

You seem to think that I should be either fiercely loyal to Trump or Hillary or Johnson. I'm sorry but I just don't fit into any of those pigeonholes. I am not a democrat. I am not a republican. I am not "alt-right". I am not a nationalist. I'm not a socialist. I am not a progressive libertarian. I am foremost an individualist. I am not a Trumper. And I'm not with her. And I don't feel the Johnson. I think Trump and Hillary and Johnson are all dangerous to my values in different ways. Just because I'm not one of you does not mean I am one of Hillary's. That is just simply the absurdity of binary thinking.

As a further note to the mod's, I feel the same way about the conversation with jamil(NHRN) and meant it when I apologized for moving to a personal level. I was attempting to speak to the part of his post that I highlighted. I feel strongly that people may say they don't want Hillary but do not admit that by their actions they are assuring that that is what they get.

I have enormous respect for jamil. If he told me I had crossed the line and I should sit down and shut up, I would park it vis a vis political discussions until after the election. I get frustrated that the same folks who can argue 'your failure to support [Jeb!, Rubio, Cruz etc] has cost us the election' with a straight face cannot countenance the extension of the same argument to beyond the nomination; to whit that their failure to support Trump as the candidate will be equally responsible for that outcome.

That I respect jamil's (and T. Lex's and a few others) opinions to such an extent is perhaps why I have still tried to convince them. Some others, not so much

I really would like people to see that embracing Trump to stop The Witch does not mean approving of him except in a very narrow sense. The two should not be conflated

To those concluding its too late to stop The Witch I say: Go down swinging, fight the good fight. Losing heart is what the other side and their MSM lackeys have wanted all along

So; you have the power, jamil

 

[NIGHTRIDER]

I am confused.Trump made the comments when he was a Democrat.I have learned that lewd treatment of woman is OK when you are a Democrat.Can someone please explain?

 

[Alpo]

I am confused.Trump made the comments when he was a Democrat.I have learned that lewd treatment of woman is OK when you are a Democrat.Can someone please explain?

Why does this sound like the other new member Dan35? Hmmmm?

 

[BugI02]

Harmonic convergence?

 

[ruger1800]

I am confused.Trump made the comments when he was a Democrat.I have learned that lewd treatment of woman is OK when you are a Democrat.Can someone please explain?

Replublicans are held to a higher standard, their expected to be saints, but become hypricrits in the process.

 

[NIGHTRIDER]

Replublicans are held to a higher standard, their expected to be saints, but become hypricrits in the process.

. That makes sense. Thank you........Dan.

 

[Alpo]

And his name is Dan.

Isn't there a rule about sock-puppets?

 

[foszoe]

Im not a fan of that argument, as if how large a rally they can draw Is somehow indicative of of anything. He's a reality TV star, of course his WWE fan base wants to come see what he might do next. Hilary is despised by nearly as many people but no one cares enough to go hear her speak as she'll be spewing the same scripted generic bs.

Maybe not by itself, but the enthusiasm translates to votes as seen in the primaries, I would think the same will hold for the general

 

[foszoe]

I have to ask if Trump shot random people on 5th Ave would he still have your vote?

As long as he didn't kill them. Hillary has killed people

 

[printcraft]

I have to ask if Trump shot random people on 5th Ave would he still have your vote?

No beacuse they would add it to the "gun violence" stats to further restrict my rights.

 

[bwframe]

I think there are a lot of folks out there who have had enough of the PC bull. Plain talkers who are tired of being referred to as racists, bigots, deplorables and *phobics for their beliefs not associated with any of this.

Folks that have been screwed over by Obamacare, vast amounts of gov't over regulation and the open border policy that has flowed millions of illegals into our country. This doesn't even touch on the huge elephant that should be in this room, GUN CONTROL and the SCOTUS appointments that will lock it in for the rest of our lives and our children's.

I think this silent majority who come from all parties, none of the parties and even DJT dissenters are going to show up to vote for him in numbers that will rival or beat Obama's record turnouts.

 

[Tombs]

I have to ask if Trump shot random people on 5th Ave would he still have your vote?

One person is less than 600,000 in the Iraq war, ~25,000 in Libya, and the countless people murdered to prevent information dangerous to the DNC from being released, or after they did it. Did Trump stick his vote on the documents that authorized these killings? No. Did hillary? Yes, go look up voting records and endless hours of congressional hearings. Did she even regret or express remorse for those who died? No, she laughs and says "what difference does it make."

Perspective matters.

How many do you think she'll murder in Syria if she's elected? After all she said war with Syria is the no.1 priority for her campaign.

I am not voting for DUDE, WEED LOL just because someone has said mean things.