Will you take the Covid Vaccine?

[KittySlayer]

Racist or just ignorant?

Is there a difference?

 

[OneBadV8]

Theres only 1 person In that exchange that is insinuating racism or calling someone ignorant.

I didn’t call out anyone specific. But move on please.

 

[Hoosierdood]

Wuhan Coronavirus Looks Increasingly Like a Pandemic, Experts Say (Published 2020)

Rapidly rising caseloads alarm researchers, who fear the virus may make its way across the globe. But scientists cannot yet predict how many deaths may result.

www.nytimes.com

Right at 11 months ago the entire world, mainstream media, and politicians called it the Wuhan Flu.

Rightly so. It originated in Wuhan China.

The WHO is expressing anger toward China this week,as China has blocked their investigators yet again. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/china/china-blocks-who-team-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

I remember the day the WHO officially named it covid-19 at the behest of China.

The name is and has become a political game like the reaction to the sars-cov2 virus itself. The entire world should have reacted differently than it did.

Back to the vaccines.

MSN

www.msn.com

More science. If you are 18-55 years old you have a 27% chance of having an adverse reaction to the vaccine,per the safety and efficacy study that has allowed it to be issued emergency use status by the FDA.If you are 55+ you only have an 11% chance of an adverse reaction. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

Also of note. Here are the financial disclosures attached to that study. Of the 28PHD's involved in the study, ONE( Dr. Frenck)did not have ties to Pfizer prior to the study. He was also almost removed from the study twice for "slowing" the study by asking questions about methodology and conclusions(he did not agree with how the 2 deaths after vaccination were handled). But...anyway. Here they are for all to see. https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577/suppl_file/nejmoa2034577_disclosures.pdf

Still not getting it.

Oh you stop it with your facts and science. Facts and science that do not agree with others facts and science will not be tolerated here.

 

[mbills2223]

Phew, man. It's not everyone, but there is too much ignorance in here for me. I don't have the patience for it anymore. Maybe that makes me weak, or bad, or whatever... I tried.

Anyway, I'm out.

 

[Denny347]

Guess I could say China Cold too since Coronavirus' are a cold.

You would be a lot closer. Coronaviruses can be "colds" but so can Rhinoviruses (actually the most common cause of colds), Parainfluenza virus, Adenovirus, and Respiratory Syncytial virus. So you're not "wrong" but still not accurate... lots of nasty little bugs out there.

 

[avboiler11]

...and human coronaviruses aren’t just harmless colds...but also the cause of SARS (9-10% CFR) and MERS (30%-ish CFR).

 

[HoughMade]

Many of which are LPNs and CNAs who, while vital, have very little science education.

I will add to that...and its not going to make many people comfortable.

I have been representing healthcare providers of various types, but usually physicians and frequently hospitals, for 22 years. My entire career is immersed in the provision of healthcare and the issues related thereto.

...if you think that the average healthcare provider...even very skillful ones, are the be-all end all to all the latest medical information and reads the latest research and knows it all....well, some do. The overwhelming majority know their very narrow field- full stop. They have the same preconceptions and biases that everyone else does.

 

[LuckySarge]

I have had Covid twice now. Once in April and then again in December. So if my natural antibodies only last 6 months why should I expect the goop they are putting in my veins to do any better. It wasn't fun but I beat it twice without hospitalization. I do not fear it then or now. It is just a nasty virus just like many others out there. So the answer is no. For me it makes no sense.

 

[JettaKnight]

No but they've been witness to the actual people being affected by the China Flu and realize the risk of the vaccine might be greater than their chance of being affected by the Flu.

To each their own. Take it or dont. I really could care less. Just dont preach and push something you're willing to inject yourself with onto others.

Last sentence not directed at you personally but more a general statement

Just like Candyman...

 

[JettaKnight]

Many of which are LPNs and CNAs who, while vital, have very little science education.

A two year degree at a community college and a handful of contract nursing jobs isn't an expert?

 

[ljk]

Oh, I almost forgot...the vaccine is safe AND effective. Get it.

Care to explain how effective?

 

[Denny347]

I have had Covid twice now. Once in April and then again in December. So if my natural antibodies only last 6 months why should I expect the goop they are putting in my veins to do any better. It wasn't fun but I beat it twice without hospitalization. I do not fear it then or now. It is just a nasty virus just like many others out there. So the answer is no. For me it makes no sense.

The antibodies triggered by the vaccine are different. The answers to most of the questions posed here are readily available. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html

 

[jfed85]

I was firmly in the "no" category not long ago. However, the vaccine was administered on a voluntary basis today at my workplace, and I ultimately decided to take it.

I am 35 and so is my wife, we are both generally healthy (maybe a few too many beers and burgers, but by no means fat or unhealthy). We both had the virus back in march/april with very little inconvenience. As a matter of fact it was so minor that I didn't even consider the possibility that it was COVID, so I continued to work. I work in a correctional facility, wife is a nurse. This was when the guidelines and symptoms were new and changing every day. Wife had a fever on Thursday, and was back to work Monday and her supervisors were aware of her fever (wouldnt let her work Thursday and Friday and she is off weekends).

Ultimately what made me decide to get the vaccine was that our life makes it such that no contact with our parents is just not an option (childcare, etc. as we are both essential employees and must work regardless). Her father had COVID and required ICU, negative pressure room, oxygen, etc. All of our parents are in their 60s. If I was asymptomatic and spread it to my parents who then died as a result, I would feel terrible. So, while its not a guarantee that I still wont spread it, I look at it as like at least I took the measures that were available to prevent such an occurrence.

Plus, If I turn into a zombie I hereby volunteer to attend the next INGO group shoot. You guys can all use me to get that zombie apocalypse fix we all long for.

 

[smokingman]

"The CDC estimates that 40% of coronavirus infections don't cause symptoms, and the trials of both the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines looked only at whether the vaccines prevented symptomatic infections.
Moderna said in December it had submitted data to the US Food and Drug Administration showing its vaccine prevented 2/3 of all infections, including asymptomatic infections. For now, the CDC recommends that people not assume they are completely immune to infection after having been vaccinated."

So the 95% figure is not based on the vaccine preventing infection, but preventing symptomatic cases. While we actually have no clue how many cases are happening without symptoms(so the 95% figure is a guess plain and simple).

So absolute best case the vaccine is 66% effective,per the study I posted and of course Dr. Fauci.

Yes, you can still get infected with Covid-19 after being vaccinated. Here's why

Millions of Americans will be administered the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines over the coming months. Over time, many who are vaccinated will still get infected with the novel coronavirus. But the vaccines have been shown to be 95% effective, so how can this happen?

www.cnn.com

 

[Libertarian01]

Just an FYI, I am trying to schedule my father to get a shot, he is over 80 with some other health issues.

Anyway, I have gone to the website and am stuck in the waiting room for over an hour. So anyone wanting to schedule or plan give yourself plenty of time.

Good Luck,

Doug

 

[JettaKnight]

Just an FYI, I am trying to schedule my father to get a shot, he is over 80 with some other health issues.

Anyway, I have gone to the website and am stuck in the waiting room for over an hour. So anyone wanting to schedule or plan give yourself plenty of time.

Good Luck,

Doug

Mirro Center?

 

[maxwelhse]

Just like Candyman...

I knew someone would do this. You were in my top 5.

 

[printcraft]

Phew, man. It's not everyone, but there is too much ignorance in here for me. I don't have the patience for it anymore. Maybe that makes me weak, or bad, or whatever... I tried.

Anyway, I'm out.

Take two of these...
They're safe and effective.

 

[smokingman]

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Heidi Neckelmann, the widow of Dr. Gregory Michael, said her husband was vaccinated on Dec. 18, and died 16 days later. He was 56 years old, according to Sputnik. Patients typically receive a second dose of the vaccine 3 weeks after the first. Neckelmann also shared the news in a Facebook post, cited above.

"In my mind his death was 100 percent linked to the vaccine. There is no other explanation," she said. "He was in very good health. He didn’t smoke, he drank alcohol once in a while but only socially. He worked out, we had kayaks, he was a deep sea fisherman," she added.

What's more, the doctor started to experience unusual symptoms, and three days after vaccination, small spots began to appear on Gregory Michael's feet and hands. In response, he went to the emergency room at Mount Sinai. As his blood count was not in the normal ranges, he was admitted to the ICU, his wife told Sputnik. Shortly after, he suffered a stroke and died.

 

[KellyinAvon]

What I've observed at work: <1% have an allergic reaction. Stay the 15 minutes like you're supposed to anyway!

If you had reactions to other vaccines (Shingles for example) the following day? Chances are yes this one will get you too. Muscle aches, headache, etc.

Arm hurts like a Tetanus shot? Check!

As bad as Typhoid or Yellow Fever shots? Big NO!