What is "Black Lives Matter"?

[chipbennett]

That graphic said "of all crimes." Clearly that isn't factual. I asked for a source from where Q got that graphic, but so far, he has failed to provide that information. I'm betting the site it came from would be, um "interesting."

And what one does with that information depends on one's ultimate end goal. The reality is that blacks commit violent crimes at a rate far higher than whites - the end result being that black people are the victims of violent crimes at a rate far higher than whites.

IMHO, this is a correlation is not causation matter with respect to the former. I'd rather focus on the latter, so that fewer innocent people are victimized through violent crime, regardless of skin color.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Only if you let yourself.
I think most of you are smarter than that.....

You'd think. I'm civil, and you know that, until someone wants to go off the rails...
And as far as his assertion:

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[Kutnupe14]

And what one does with that information depends on one's ultimate end goal. The reality is that blacks commit violent crimes at a rate far higher than whites - the end result being that black people are the victims of violent crimes at a rate far higher than whites.

IMHO, this is a correlation is not causation matter with respect to the former. I'd rather focus on the latter, so that fewer innocent people are victimized through violent crime, regardless of skin color.

C'mon Chip.... That graphic said nothing about violent crime. Again it said "all crimes." It's false, and obviously so. So obvious, not most people with just a basic understanding of statistics would dismiss it out of hand.

 

[KLB]

The graphic was meant to disparage BLM. I'm not sure how anyone could seriously think it was really made by them.

 

[chipbennett]

C'mon Chip.... That graphic said nothing about violent crime. Again it said "all crimes." It's false, and obviously so. So obvious, not most people with just a basic understanding of statistics would dismiss it out of hand.

I don't have any real interest in arguing for or against the graphic; that seems to me to be a distraction. (I've not looked at the all-crime numbers in a very long time, anyway.)

Did it make a relevant point, though? Yes it did - and a point that aligns with my primary issue with BLM. The movement chooses to focus on the (on average) 10 unarmed black people per year killed by police, while ignoring the tens of thousands of black people killed (primarily - some 90 - 95%) by other black people.

What will really improve black lives: focusing on the former, or the latter? Police aren't the root cause of the problem of black lives being taken.

 

[nonobaddog]

BLM is there to make noise not sense.

 

[printcraft]

I ain't wrong. You just lack the ability to understand the information you were presented with; hence why (as I stated) you would be dismissive.

So hitlary clinton was right with “Super Predators”?

 

[nonobaddog]

Why would it even matter if one person committed three crimes or three people committed one crime?
That whole concept is just a distraction and it doesn't scale well. There are always going to be a bunch of people that commit one crime and a bunch of people that commit two crimes and a bunch of people that commit three crimes, etc., etc., ad nauseam.

 

[Kutnupe14]

So hitlary clinton was right with “Super Predators”?

Insofar as individuals who commit multiple crimes? Absolutely.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Why would it even matter if one person committed three crimes or three people committed one crime?
That whole concept is just a distraction and it doesn't scale well. There are always going to be a bunch of people that commit one crime and a bunch of people that commit two crimes and a bunch of people that commit three crimes, etc., etc., ad nauseam.

If you can't discern the difference, this conversation is beyond you.

 

[nonobaddog]

Well, it is beyond somebody.

 

[IndyDave1776]

If you can't discern the difference, this conversation is beyond you.

The difference is obvious. None of this killing is acceptable, both forms need stopped, but the usual suspects screaming up lungs care only about the easily politicised examples, not the majority of killings. People screaming up their lungs about black lives don't give 3/16 of a flying **** about the majority of black lives prematurely ended. Do you not see a problem here?

I will add that I have little to no tolerance for police malfeasance but do not accept it being politically weaponized especially with large infusions of fiction like in Ferguson.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Well, it is beyond somebody.

More than a few unfortunately. There are plenty of times when I actually think I'm being trolled because some folks don't understand things that seem so clear and basic (and that's not just this conversation), but I've come to realize there are more than a few people that simply don't "get it."

 

[Kutnupe14]

The difference is obvious. None of this killing is acceptable, both forms need stopped, but the usual suspects screaming up lungs care only about the easily politicised examples, not the majority of killings. People screaming up their lungs about black lives don't give 3/16 of a flying **** about the majority of black lives prematurely ended. Do you not see a problem here?

I will add that I have little to no tolerance for police malfeasance but do not accept it being politically weaponized especially with large infusions of fiction like in Ferguson.

Well it is incorrect to believe that the "majority of killings," aren't cared about. In fact protests concerning Black on Black violence are exponentially more common that BLM rallies. The problem isn't people not caring... at least not those people who are victims. Its a problem of what the media finds newsworthy.

 

[Hawkeye]

Well, the ice is coming off the lakes, I guess that means its trolling season?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Well it is incorrect to believe that the "majority of killings," aren't cared about. In fact protests concerning Black on Black violence are exponentially more common that BLM rallies. The problem isn't people not caring... at least not those people who are victims. Its a problem of what the media finds newsworthy.

OK, so the leftists who are supposed to be the saviors of everyone darker than beige don't care about these same people getting killed if they don't get political mileage out of it? Thanks for clarifying your side's views.

 

[IndyBeerman]

Here's a novel concept.

10 people commit a crime, does it matter if each one committed a separate crime in a different way, or if all 10 committed the crime together?

It doesn't matter, the fact is 10 people committed a crime.

That number can not be skewed or contorted.

 

[Kutnupe14]

OK, so the leftists who are supposed to be the saviors of everyone darker than beige don't care about these same people getting killed if they don't get political mileage out of it? Thanks for clarifying your side's views.

It’s the same for the right wing media outlets, but I imagine that isn’t so clear to you.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Here's a novel concept.

10 people commit a crime, does it matter if each one committed a separate crime in a different way, or if all 10 committed the crime together?

It doesn't matter, the fact is 10 people committed a crime.

That number can not be skewed or contorted.

IB, I agree, but that notion isn’t part of this discussion. If you care, read my original breakdown.

 

[IndyDave1776]

It’s the same for the right wing media outlets, but I imagine that isn’t so clear to you.

You may not hear about it as the top item every day as if nothing else is happening in the universe but it does come up as opposed to the usual media suspects who never say a word.