Student loan 'Forgiveness",Too little to help anyone, just enough to make everyone angry

[actaeon277]

 

[DoggyDaddy]

SCOTUS just blocked an attempted stay on the program. It was initiated by the circuit court overseen by Amy Coney Barrett. Maybe she's not the "conservative" we all thought she was.

"Conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett rejected the motion from a Wisconsin group without offering an explanation.

The Brown County Taxpayers Association filed the motion Wednesday, asking the court to immediately pause the loan relief program while it moves forward with litigation against the Biden Administration.

A federal district court tossed a lawsuit from the group aiming to stop the program, which they have since appealed to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.

The motion to the Supreme Court argued the program should be halted immediately because Biden overstepped his authority by authorizing loan forgiveness, which they claimed will lead to a “gargantuan increase in the national debt.”
Barrett is responsible for handling emergency motions from Wisconsin."

Supreme Court Will Not Block Biden’s Student Loan Forgiveness

Conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett shot down a motion to immediately end Biden's student debt forgiveness plan, but didn't explain why.

www.forbes.com

 

[Ingomike]

SCOTUS just blocked an attempted stay on the program. It was initiated by the circuit court overseen by Amy Coney Barrett. Maybe she's not the "conservative" we all thought she was.

"Conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett rejected the motion from a Wisconsin group without offering an explanation.

The Brown County Taxpayers Association filed the motion Wednesday, asking the court to immediately pause the loan relief program while it moves forward with litigation against the Biden Administration.

A federal district court tossed a lawsuit from the group aiming to stop the program, which they have since appealed to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.

The motion to the Supreme Court argued the program should be halted immediately because Biden overstepped his authority by authorizing loan forgiveness, which they claimed will lead to a “gargantuan increase in the national debt.”
Barrett is responsible for handling emergency motions from Wisconsin."

Supreme Court Will Not Block Biden’s Student Loan Forgiveness

Conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett shot down a motion to immediately end Biden's student debt forgiveness plan, but didn't explain why.

www.forbes.com

Waiting to hear legal explanation of this…

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Waiting to hear legal explanation of this…

She obviously didn't feel the need to provide one. Just rejected it out of hand. Maybe she's still paying off her own loans and wants the money.

 

[BigRed]

Waiting to hear legal explanation of this…

I think they're still busy looking for the leaker of that roe overruling case.

Busy busy busy

 

[MCgrease08]

Waiting to hear legal explanation of this…

This one was expected to go down. Plaintiffs don't really have solid standing to bring a suit. You can sue the federal government just because you don't like the way they spend your tax money. You must show direct harm.

There are other lawsuits working their way up that more directly impact lenders and states. Those have a much greater chance of being heard.

ETA: https://www.dailywire.com/news/scotus-refuses-lawsuit-to-block-bidens-student-loan-forgiveness-plan

 

[04FXSTS]

This one was expected to go down. Plaintiffs don't really have solid standing to bring a suit. You can sue the federal government just because you don't like the way they spend your tax money. You must show direct harm.

There are other lawsuits working their way up that more directly impact lenders and states. Those have a much greater chance of being heard.

ETA: https://www.dailywire.com/news/scotus-refuses-lawsuit-to-block-bidens-student-loan-forgiveness-plan

This was my thought also, that this was a weak case and there are better ones in the works. Jim.

 

[KLB]

The courts need to follow the rule of law whether we like the way their decisions or not. I don't want a conservative judge ruling based upon personal opinion anymore than I do a liberal judge.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The courts need to follow the rule of law whether we like the way their decisions or not. I don't want a conservative judge ruling based upon personal opinion anymore than I do a liberal judge.

This is the proper way to do it, no doubt. The left didn’t gain so much ground by fighting by the rules though.

 

[chipbennett]

SCOTUS just blocked an attempted stay on the program. It was initiated by the circuit court overseen by Amy Coney Barrett. Maybe she's not the "conservative" we all thought she was.

I try to avoid knee-jerk reactions to things like this. The legal system works (sometimes infuriatingly) slowly, but methodically and with purpose. I oppose activism from the bench, wither that activism advances ideology I oppose or support. IANAL, so I don't know if her (in)action is appropriate or not in this instance.

(The executive branch authorizing by EO-fiat a taxpayer-funded "forgiveness" of student loans is, unquestionably, unconstitutional. That doesn't necessarily mean that ACB had constitutional authority to issue a stay of the program based on the existing lawsuit. I don't always understand them, but I know that there are issues of jurisdiction and ripeness - and probably others.)

 

[AndreusMaximus]

The courts need to follow the rule of law whether we like the way their decisions or not. I don't want a conservative judge ruling based upon personal opinion anymore than I do a liberal judge.

I try to avoid knee-jerk reactions to things like this. The legal system works (sometimes infuriatingly) slowly, but methodically and with purpose. I oppose activism from the bench, wither that activism advances ideology I oppose or support. IANAL, so I don't know if her (in)action is appropriate or not in this instance.

(The executive branch authorizing by EO-fiat a taxpayer-funded "forgiveness" of student loans is, unquestionably, unconstitutional. That doesn't necessarily mean that ACB had constitutional authority to issue a stay of the program based on the existing lawsuit. I don't always understand them, but I know that there are issues of jurisdiction and ripeness - and probably others.)

I guess I'm way more cynical than you guys. I gave up caring about playing by the rules a while ago, and if "our side" can stop the left from wreaking their havoc on the lives of normal, hardworking Americans, I don't care how they do it. At this point rule of law is dead in this country, a few more lashes on the dead horse's corpse aren't going to change anything.

 

[Ingomike]

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I guess I'm way more cynical than you guys. I gave up caring about playing by the rules a while ago, and if "our side" can stop the left from wreaking their havoc on the lives of normal, hardworking Americans, I don't care how they do it. At this point rule of law is dead in this country, a few more lashes on the dead horse's corpse aren't going to change anything.

Unfortunately, I fear you may be correct. Is there ANYBODY on the other side that EVER says “we must do it by the rule of law”? Don’t know who it would be…

 

[rhamersley]

U

Unfortunately, I fear you may be correct. Is there ANYBODY on the other side that EVER says “we must do it by the rule of law”? Don’t know who it would be…

The going motto for the left is still, and always has been, "By any means necessary...the ends justify it".

 

[Ingomike]

The going motto for the left is still, and always has been, "By any means necessary...the ends justify it".

And they have successfully used that against conservatives who sat on their hands playing by Queensbury rules…

 

[rhamersley]

And they have successfully used that against conservatives who sat on their hands playing by Queensbury rules…

Unfortunately, I can think of probably less than 20 "nationally known" congressmen, senators and governors combined who aren't the "go along to get along" type. Vast majority want to get invited to the gala openings and parties that are thrown by the left wingers, so no waves shall be made.

 

[Ingomike]

Unfortunately, I can think of probably less than 20 "nationally known" congressmen, senators and governors combined who aren't the "go along to get along" type. Vast majority want to get invited to the gala openings and parties that are thrown by the left wingers, so no waves shall be made.

In DC particularly, I believe it is far more than gala’s and parties, I believe the swamp, which since the FBI is a corrupt part of the swamp, the swamp has access to the very private backgrounds of our elected officials. This is used to control those elected officials. Infidelity, sex of all kinds including illegal sex, drugs, alcohol, it all is in the mix giving control to the swamp.

I am sure it has always been this way but our communications and technology now allow for far more control than just 20 years ago…

 

[rooster]

Dems are definitely trying to buy votes. It only took 2 minutes to fill out the application. Easiest goverment program I’ve ever seen.

 

[MCgrease08]

I guess I'm way more cynical than you guys. I gave up caring about playing by the rules a while ago, and if "our side" can stop the left from wreaking their havoc on the lives of normal, hardworking Americans, I don't care how they do it. At this point rule of law is dead in this country, a few more lashes on the dead horse's corpse aren't going to change anything.

That's all well and good, but you still need a solid lawsuit to hang your hat on. An anti-tax group suing because they don't like how the government spends tax money ain't going to get it done. They don't have standing to sue and there is tons of precedent for dismissing cases like this.

Even if you want to argue FOR judicial activism, you still need a case the activist judge can work with. Otherwise a ruling on a bad case may close the door for future challenges.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

That's all well and good, but you still need a solid lawsuit to hang your hat on. An anti-tax group suing because they don't like how the government spends tax money ain't going to get it done. They don't have standing to sue and there is tons of precedent for dismissing cases like this.

Even if you want to argue FOR judicial activism, you still need a case the activist judge can work with. Otherwise a ruling on a bad case may close the door for future challenges.

Fair point.

 

[BugI02]

I think they're still busy looking for the leaker of that roe overruling case.

Busy busy busy

Is that like OJ looking for the 'real' murderer - mostly on golf courses and stuff?