Politically Motivated Violence Thread PART 2

[SheepDog4Life]

Finally, OODA analysis. Here is the first frame of obvious action initiation, going to cover garment to initiate the draw...

What happened 0.5-0.6 seconds (7 frames on a Nikon D5) prior to precipitate this decision/action?

He killed a man for slapping him.

 

[Hkindiana]

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He killed a man for slapping him.

How is that different than other recent murders for “words”? “He attacked me first for calling me the *** word”!!! You know, “feelingz”!

 

[SheepDog4Life]

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How is that different than other recent murders for “words”? “He attacked me first for calling me the *** word”!!! You know, “feelingz”!

Legally? None... murder.

 

[gregr]

Legally? None... murder.

Not if he felt his life was in danger...

 

[gregr]

This frame shows the shot already fired, the shell casing in the air and the bear spray plume. It's time stamp is 3:36:54 PM. There are 5 additional frames (0.4 seconds) AFTER this picture with the same timestamp.

This means 1.6 seconds (1.5 - 1.7 seconds) from face still sideways from the slap, the first pic of the prior post, to shot already fired.

He killed a man for slapping him.

Nope. He killed a thug for slapping him, then further attacking him with a chemical. It doesn`t appear he initiated the physical aggression, he was defending himself. Did he over respond? A jury can decide that.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Nope. He killed a thug for slapping him, then further attacking him with a chemical. It doesn`t appear he initiated the physical aggression, he was defending himself. Did he over respond? A jury can decide that.

He willingly stepped into the middle of a verbal conflict and put hands on the man and got b**** slapped for it. He immediately and instantly escalated to deadly force while the man was retreating, and the photo sequence clearly shows he was not responding to any raising of the bear spray when he went for his gun.

He killed a man for slapping him.

 

[gregr]

He willingly stepped into the middle of a verbal conflict and put hands on the man and got b**** slapped for it. He immediately and instantly escalated to deadly force while the man was retreating, and the photo sequence clearly shows he was not responding to any raising of the bear spray.

He killed a man for slapping him.

Nah.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Nah.

yeah

 

[jamil]

Nah.

When do the photos show the guy went for the gun?

 

[2A_Tom]

Not havingneg rep...

 

[foszoe]

He certainly had a good grip.

Who shot first?

 

[Leadeye]

A jury will sort out the particulars of the killing.

I wondered what became of the decision makers who decided to start this tragedy for some news film. They need to be out of a job before they kill someone else over a manufactured news story. NBCs Chevy truck manufactured story in the 1992 didn't kill anybody and plenty of people were cashiered for it.

 

[IndyDave1776]

the photo sequence clearly shows he was not responding to any raising of the bear spray when he went for his gun.

The photo sequence, such as it is, doesn't show jack ****.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

The photo sequence, such as it is, doesn't show jack ****.

Frames 2632-2641 show the slap and Dolloff going to gun while Keltner retreats two steps with the bear spray still down at his side.

No idea who Jack is?

PHOTOS: A frame by frame account of the Denver protest shooting

A man was shot and killed Saturday after a conflict with a private security guard in downtown Denver. Denver Post photojournalist Helen Richardson witnessed the shooting firsthand. A total of 71 im…

www.denverpost.com

 

[IndyDave1776]

Frames 2632-2641 show the slap and Dolloff going to gun while Keltner retreats two steps with the bear spray still down at his side.

No idea who Jack is?

PHOTOS: A frame by frame account of the Denver protest shooting

A man was shot and killed Saturday after a conflict with a private security guard in downtown Denver. Denver Post photojournalist Helen Richardson witnessed the shooting firsthand. A total of 71 im…

www.denverpost.com

This makes a lot more sense.

 

[chipbennett]

Nope. He killed a thug for slapping him, then further attacking him with a chemical. It doesn`t appear he initiated the physical aggression, he was defending himself. Did he over respond? A jury can decide that.

Cool story - though it has absolutely no resemblance to the actual facts of the incident.

 

[chipbennett]

He willingly stepped into the middle of a verbal conflict and put hands on the man and got b**** slapped for it. He immediately and instantly escalated to deadly force while the man was retreating, and the photo sequence clearly shows he was not responding to any raising of the bear spray when he went for his gun.

He killed a man for slapping him.

Further: he doesn't get to claim self-defense as a justification for use of deadly force because he was the initial aggressor. When someone legally uses force in self-defense against an unlawful aggressor, the aggressor does not then get to claim self-defense for otherwise unjustified use of deadly force in response to the other person's lawful use of force in self-defense.

 

[2A_Tom]

Didn't we do this last year?

 

[gregr]

Cool story - though it has absolutely no resemblance to the actual facts of the incident.

And still-a jury will decide that...

 

[2A_Tom]

And still-a jury will decide that...

May I ask if your opinion of Dolloff's action has changed during this discussion?

If not then the jury in the present climate may acquit him.