CIVIL RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION: All things Christianity

[JettaKnight]

So, I don't know if the MSM will pick this up, but it reflects the intersection of Catholic priest, BLM, Antifa and Carmel. So, yeah, it probably will.

Fr. Ted ....

A whole sermon(?) with nary a mention of scripture and brief mention of Christ... huh.


I only hope he's somewhat like Father Ted, because that would be great.

[video=youtube;6zkL91LzCMc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zkL91LzCMc[/video]

 

[JettaKnight]

I posted this on the Netflix thread, but I'll post the condensed version here (the actual movie is really, really long).

[video=youtube;ocHm18wUAGU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocHm18wUAGU[/video]

For those us "in the know", it's nothing really new - we're all familiar with the charlatans and false prophets of our days. It's nice to see a good, solid production that hopefully will draw away their crowds (and money).

 

[T.Lex]

A whole sermon(?) with nary a mention of scripture and brief mention of Christ... huh.

I think this is more like a blog than a sermon. There's a separate section of the website in which the homily recordings are stored.

 

[T.Lex]

Looks like the IndyStar has picked up the story of Fr. Ted, so Gannett has it, so USA Today will have it - at least on their website.

 

[foszoe]

Kinda like a protestant sermon?

I posted this on the Netflix thread, but I'll post the condensed version here (the actual movie is really, really long).

[video=youtube;ocHm18wUAGU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocHm18wUAGU[/video]

For those us "in the know", it's nothing really new - we're all familiar with the charlatans and false prophets of our days. It's nice to see a good, solid production that hopefully will draw away their crowds (and money).

 

[JettaKnight]

Kinda like a protestant sermon?

We like them long and penetrating.

 

[Alpo]

We like them long and penetrating.

You realize that Printcraft will have that in his tag line quotes within 24 hours, don't you?

 

[JettaKnight]

You realize that Printcraft will have that in his tag line quotes within 24 hours, don't you?

I'm under the impression that he has a rule against double dipping - so if he'll have to remove my current quote to take this one.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

So, I don't know if the MSM will pick this up, but it reflects the intersection of Catholic priest, BLM, Antifa and Carmel. So, yeah, it probably will.

Fr. Ted Rothrock posted what appears to be a weekly Message from the Pastor on Sunday. The first miracle is that someone actually read it. Then someone probably pointed out that it wasn't really a good message, and didn't include anything from the Bible, or much Catholic teaching at all. And it was taken down.

But, Fr. Rothrock does not appear to be familiar with the Wayback Machine. (Boomer.)

https://web.archive.org/web/2020062...toncarmel.org/weekly-message-from-the-pastor/

A snippet:


Full disclosure: I think I've interacted with Fr. Ted for at least 25 years. He isn't a good priest. He isn't terrible, but he just isn't good at his job. But, he does like politics.

Oh, and if he had focused on Antifa and the elements of society that are using BLM to riot and loot, then that's a different issue. But his inclusion of BLM is a sweeping generalization that includes many people who want meaningful change in our culture.

I don’t see anything there I’d take exception too. In my opinion, we need more of our faith leaders calling out the malevolent evil where they see it. Might it have been worded more artfully? I suppose. But substantively, I agree with him.

 

[T.Lex]

I don’t see anything there I’d take exception too. In my opinion, we need more of our faith leaders calling out the malevolent evil where they see it. Might it have been worded more artfully? I suppose. But substantively, I agree with him.

So you agree that the entirety of the Black Lives Matter movement is malevolent?

That's a broad brush.

 

[Alpo]

I disagree. One might find merits in almost any political system in their purest form. However, when personal ambitions enter the mix, the leadership sets the tone. And the leaders are Marxists.

 

[BugI02]

So you agree that the entirety of the Black Lives Matter movement is malevolent?

That's a broad brush.

So you agree that the entirety of white people are malevolent?

BLM uses a broad brush.

 

[Alpo]

#BLM and lessons learned from the Panthers.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/19/black-panthers-north-korea-us-imperialism

 

[T.Lex]

I disagree. One might find merits in almost any political in their purest form. However, when personal ambitions enter the mix, the leadership sets the tone. And the leaders are Marxists.

Was that directed at me?

I don't see BLM as a political movement at all, but a cultural one. There are no BLM candidates (yet) in any election open to me.

That's part of the problem - the societal angle to this. Fr. Ted tagged a great many people who support the conservative BLM goals - review of police tactics, re-assessment of the role race plays in our society, holding bad cops accountable - with the same labels that he ascribes to the extreme members of BLM/Antifa. That is as wrong as those same extremists using broad brushstrokes.

It reduces the whole to the worst attributes of the minority. As gun owners, we should be particularly wary of that dynamic.

 

[JettaKnight]

So you agree that the entirety of white people are malevolent?

BLM uses a broad brush.

Sure they do, but I hold a Catholic priest to a higher standard.


And I wonder how many sermons, or letters, called out SCLC in the 60's.


Listen, I'm no BLM / Antifa fan by any stretch of the imagination, but wondering if it's necessary to call them out by name in a church blog.

 

[Alpo]

Was that directed at me?

I don't see BLM as a political movement at all, but a cultural one. There are no BLM candidates (yet) in any election open to me.

That's part of the problem - the societal angle to this. Fr. Ted tagged a great many people who support the conservative BLM goals - review of police tactics, re-assessment of the role race plays in our society, holding bad cops accountable - with the same labels that he ascribes to the extreme members of BLM/Antifa. That is as wrong as those same extremists using broad brushstrokes.

It reduces the whole to the worst attributes of the minority. As gun owners, we should be particularly wary of that dynamic.

Yeah, it was. Sorta.

I see BLM as only the newest form of a movement whose objective is not equality, but dominance.

We all pretty much agree that policing needs reform. But that is where I begin to diverge from their objectives. Any movement that thrives on political chaos is not healthy for a democracy,

I don't know why, but I keep getting flashbacks to Jewish Socialism in Brooklyn in the first half of the 20th century.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/opinion/new-york-american-communism.html

 

[T.Lex]

Yeah, it was. Sorta.

I see BLM as only the newest form of a movement whose objective is not equality, but dominance.

We all pretty much agree that policing needs reform. But that is where I begin to diverge from their objectives. Any movement that thrives on political chaos is not healthy for a democracy,

One distinction that is important - to me - is the one between BLM and Antifa.

Antifa is the new anarchist movement, IMHO.

BLM is more about social justice (whatever that means).

Is there an overlap? Sure. Somewhat like the overlap between Trump supporters and conservatives. But that doesn't make them the same.

Policing is very difficult to do well. I'm not sure every police jurisdiction needs reformed. In fact, I believe that to not be true. But, it is healthy to be in a continuous-improvement cycle with that. It is a profession that can always be done better. And, feedback from those being policed is vitally important.

I also think that the BLM movement is calling attention to the socio-economic issues that play a significant role in criminality. That's a political problem, at some level, but one that bends towards conservativism more than liberalism.

There are other societal angles to it that are completely separate from the anarcho-terrorism of Antifa.

 

[BugI02]

Sure they do, but I hold a Catholic priest to a higher standard.


And I wonder how many sermons, or letters, called out SCLC in the 60's.


Listen, I'm no BLM / Antifa fan by any stretch of the imagination, but wondering if it's necessary to call them out by name in a church blog.

You know, I don't much recall, but I thought you were on the other side of this issue when the question was whether a church and its elders/pastor should be involved in politics possibly at the expense of endangering tax exempt status

Forgive me if I don't recall the particulars correctly, but is it only bad when you disagree with the sentiments expressed?

 

[Alpo]

One distinction that is important - to me - is the one between BLM and Antifa.

Antifa is the new anarchist movement, IMHO.

BLM is more about social justice (whatever that means).

Is there an overlap? Sure. Somewhat like the overlap between Trump supporters and conservatives. But that doesn't make them the same.

Policing is very difficult to do well. I'm not sure every police jurisdiction needs reformed. In fact, I believe that to not be true. But, it is healthy to be in a continuous-improvement cycle with that. It is a profession that can always be done better. And, feedback from those being policed is vitally important.

I also think that the BLM movement is calling attention to the socio-economic issues that play a significant role in criminality. That's a political problem, at some level, but one that bends towards conservativism more than liberalism.

There are other societal angles to it that are completely separate from the anarcho-terrorism of Antifa.

On the need for overall police reform. I've seen it quoted here that there are 18,000 separate, distinct, and autonomous police "departments". While that may be true, there is a strong national police union, typically more powerful and with deeper resources than the local jurisdiction.

So, while I'm mindful of your comment that certain departments are without sin, I don't believe the union is in that same circle.


As to the societal problems of poverty, race and culture, I'm perhaps sympathetic to "some" of the impacts of others on black America. However, the older I get, the more I see that there is a degree of damage that is clearly self-inflicted and reinforced through the cultural goal of black solidarity. To the extent that slavery is continuously brought up, for example, it tends to reinforce a negative stereotype and a level of anger that works against progress and improvement of self and cross-racial co-operation,

 

[T.Lex]

Sure they do, but I hold a Catholic priest to a higher standard.

Its almost like a Catholic priest might want to avoid saying the entirety of a particular group is responsible for the horrible acts of a few members of that particular group.

On the need for overall police reform. I've seen it quoted here that there are 18,000 separate, distinct, and autonomous police "departments". While that may be true, there is a strong national police union, typically more powerful and with deeper resources than the local jurisdiction.

So, while I'm mindful of your comment that certain departments are without sin, I don't believe the union is in that same circle.

I actually have some experience with public service unions, and from what I can tell, the "national" part is pretty much a figurehead. The local unions are the most invested group.

And, in Indiana, there's some legal things that keep that union influence to a bit of a minimum.

I think LE agencies can do a better job of identifying "bad apples" and using peer pressure to either get them to not be douchebags or convince them to leave the agency. But, that's also a cultural thing that doesn't happen quickly.