CIVIL RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION: All things Christianity

[Bartman]

Lutheran

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Lutheran

Any particular doctrinal issues?

 

[foszoe]

For me it's both. It's can be like anything else in life, marriage (a model of Church), work, even camping, and hiking. Sometimes it's an obligation AND an opportunity.

When I want to go, it's an opportunity. When I don't want to go, it's an obligation AND an opportunity.

As to provoking....I leave that to the political forums

Do we go to church as an obligation, or as an opportunity to fellowship with believers, to provoke one and other onto love and good works, exhorting each other, encouraging yourselves while anticipating His return?

 

[Bartman]

Antilegomena -specifically that Luther held the notion of sola scriptura, yet took it upon his own authority to decide which scriptures were more important than others.

ETA: Most recently, my misgivings have less to do with Lutheranism itself, but more with the tradition of scholasticism in general

 

[foszoe]

You are making progress my friend!

Antilegomena -specifically that Luther held the notion of sola scriptura, yet took it upon his own authority to decide which scriptures were more important than others.

ETA: Most recently, my misgivings have less to do with Lutheranism itself, but more with the tradition of scholasticism in general

 

[JettaKnight]

Antilegomena -specifically that Luther held the notion of sola scriptura, yet took it upon his own authority to decide which scriptures were more important than others.

ETA: Most recently, my misgivings have less to do with Lutheranism itself, but more with the tradition of scholasticism in general

It's rare that a theological word is tossed out that I've never heard of.


Didn't Luther refer to James as, "a right strawy epistle"?




Not sure where you're at in Ft. Wayne, but I'll extend a standing invitation to Headwaters [Baptist] Church. I promise I won't try and dunk you.*






* My good friend and long time non-member at Headwaters aligns with Presbyterians, and to my knowledge hasn't been dunked.

 

[Bartman]

I had to look it up when I ran across it as well.

I hadn't heard the "right" part but it was jarring to hear Luther call James "an epistle of straw." He had a similar view of Hebrews, Jude, and Revelation.

Also, I appreciate your invitation.

 

[T.Lex]

I'm going by Redemptionis Sacramentum, "...each of the faithful always has the right to receive Holy Communion on the tongue, at his choice..."

I think the difference between this and sign of peace is that one appears to be a right, whereas the sign of peace is an optional component of the new liturgy (I know priests who always omit it for reasons unrelated to hygiene).

Ok, more info on this, at least for my parish.

They did a short video explaining the logistics of the mass. With regard to the reception of the host, they went over it a couple times. The first time, the priest on the video said their preference was for the recipient to receive the host in the hand, because the recipient will be wearing a mask, then step over to another spot marked on the floor, remove the mask and accept the host. The 2 people they showed did it that way. They did it again, and each time the priest said to receive the host in the hand.

So, they didn't say you COULDN'T receive on the tongue, but certainly set the expectation that it would be in the hand. One of those, "Let's just ask them to do it this way in a manner that makes it seem like there isn't really a choice."

 

[JettaKnight]

One of the ushers looked me with a sad face, "what am I to do?"
https://babylonbee.com/news/thousands-of-church-greeters-laid-off


We spent a fair amount of time hearing about the riots from the pastor. He works with the CLEO, mayor, FD chief*, so was with them in assessing the damage and speaking out.

We haven't seen anything like this in Fort Wayne...












* It's a lot easier rehabbing an old orphanage into a church with some political help.

 

[JettaKnight]

Dr. Russel Moore posted a sermon on his podcast that gave in 2018, that's quite relative today (again).

https://www.russellmoore.com/2020/0...uneasy-conscience-of-american-christianity-2/

 

[tbhausen]

This seems like an appropriate time and place to let everyone here know that this Sunday, I become a confirmed Catholic. The last year of my life has been the best ever. I found an inner peace and happiness I had no idea was attainable. I wake up every morning with true gratitude for what I have, and go to bed every evening examining my conscience and working to be a better human being. It’s a great place to be in this life.

It’s almost too obvious, but I chose St. Paul for my Confirmation Saint. Like him, I persecuted Christians before finding my way (well, I said lots of mean things about them, basically felt superior to them and their simple-minded beliefs in things I could never possibly come to believe myself!). I was blind, then my sight was restored. And now it’s my time to go forth and share the Good News as I live out the remainder of my temporal life. The best is truly yet to come, here and beyond.

 

[JettaKnight]

This seems like an appropriate time and place to let everyone here know that this Sunday, I become a confirmed Catholic. The last year of my life has been the best ever. I found an inner peace and happiness I had no idea was attainable. I wake up every morning with true gratitude for what I have, and go to bed every evening examining my conscience and working to be a better human being. It’s a great place to be in this life.

It’s almost too obvious, but I chose St. Paul for my Confirmation Saint. Like him, I persecuted Christians before finding my way (well, I said lots of mean things about them, basically felt superior to them and their simple-minded beliefs in things I could never possibly come to believe myself!). I was blind, then my sight was restored. And now it’s my time to go forth and share the Good News as I live out the remainder of my temporal life. The best is truly yet to come, here and beyond.

Praise the Lord, my brother!

 

[T.Lex]

This seems like an appropriate time and place to let everyone here know that this Sunday, I become a confirmed Catholic. The last year of my life has been the best ever. I found an inner peace and happiness I had no idea was attainable. I wake up every morning with true gratitude for what I have, and go to bed every evening examining my conscience and working to be a better human being. It’s a great place to be in this life.

It’s almost too obvious, but I chose St. Paul for my Confirmation Saint. Like him, I persecuted Christians before finding my way (well, I said lots of mean things about them, basically felt superior to them and their simple-minded beliefs in things I could never possibly come to believe myself!). I was blind, then my sight was restored. And now it’s my time to go forth and share the Good News as I live out the remainder of my temporal life. The best is truly yet to come, here and beyond.

That's awesome!

And what a momentous year to go through that process!

Congratulations!

 

[rvb]

This seems like an appropriate time and place to let everyone here know that this Sunday, I become a confirmed Catholic. The last year of my life has been the best ever. I found an inner peace and happiness I had no idea was attainable. I wake up every morning with true gratitude for what I have, and go to bed every evening examining my conscience and working to be a better human being. It’s a great place to be in this life.

It’s almost too obvious, but I chose St. Paul for my Confirmation Saint. Like him, I persecuted Christians before finding my way (well, I said lots of mean things about them, basically felt superior to them and their simple-minded beliefs in things I could never possibly come to believe myself!). I was blind, then my sight was restored. And now it’s my time to go forth and share the Good News as I live out the remainder of my temporal life. The best is truly yet to come, here and beyond.

Hooray! Thank you for sharing, brother!

this is terrible news to Satan. Be prepared for every attack, test of faith, and temptation. Put your faith in God and know he will not allow you to be tempted with more than you can handle and He is there when life seems to hard to bear alone.

-rvb

 

[tbhausen]

Thanks, everyone… Yes, quite a time for this! On top of everything else, our bishop passed away a week or two ago and the “extraordinary circumstances” under which I am being initiated have become even more so. Our RCIA group stopped meeting due to the pandemic, and only two of us made it through to initiation on this go around. Perhaps the two or three we lost will re-join us when we resume, or maybe they’re planning for next Easter. Our parish priest will be administering the Sacrament of Confirmation to us, which somehow seems homey and fitting under the circumstances. There was a time when I felt like perhaps I wasn’t ready, but we never stop learning and growing in our faith so I became certain that the time is now.

 

[drillsgt]

Lutheran

Lutheran too, LCMS

 

[historian]

Does the Pope poop in the woods?

Congrats!

 

[tbhausen]

Does the Pope poop in the woods?

Congrats!

I don’t know, but it’s probably fair to assume Jesus pooped in the desert, so…

Thanks!

 

[2A_Tom]

But he did bury it.

 

[T.Lex]

So, I don't know if the MSM will pick this up, but it reflects the intersection of Catholic priest, BLM, Antifa and Carmel. So, yeah, it probably will.

Fr. Ted Rothrock posted what appears to be a weekly Message from the Pastor on Sunday. The first miracle is that someone actually read it. Then someone probably pointed out that it wasn't really a good message, and didn't include anything from the Bible, or much Catholic teaching at all. And it was taken down.

But, Fr. Rothrock does not appear to be familiar with the Wayback Machine. (Boomer.)

https://web.archive.org/web/2020062...toncarmel.org/weekly-message-from-the-pastor/

A snippet:

They are maggots and parasites at best, feeding off the isolation of addiction and broken families, and offering to replace any current frustration and anxiety with more misery and greater resentment. The message of peace that comes to us in Christ is the gospel we carry in common with the Orthodox Churches and other Christians. We must stand in solidarity with our brethren across the world to oppose this malevolent force. Black Lives Matter, Antifa, and the other nefarious acolytes of their persuasion are not the friends or allies we have been led to believe. They are serpents in the garden, seeking only to uproot and replant a new species of human made in the likeness of men and not in the image of God. Their poison is more toxic than any pandemic we have endured.

Full disclosure: I think I've interacted with Fr. Ted for at least 25 years. He isn't a good priest. He isn't terrible, but he just isn't good at his job. But, he does like politics.

Oh, and if he had focused on Antifa and the elements of society that are using BLM to riot and loot, then that's a different issue. But his inclusion of BLM is a sweeping generalization that includes many people who want meaningful change in our culture.