Thank you BW, exactly my point.. If I'm in the garage with one of the doors up and someone strolls in on the other side and starts jacking stuff out of my car but assures me they mean me no harm when confronted turns to go, what to do?Thanks for recounting that situation!
Can I now add a hypothetical twist for INGO? (Not necessarily for Hoosier Cowboy.)
What if the intruder at gunpoint states that he means no harm, but will be leaving, and then proceeds to do so?
The cheapest solution is let them go. Remember every bullet has a lawyer attached to it.Thank you BW, exactly my point.. If I'm in the garage with one of the doors up and someone strolls in on the other side and starts jacking stuff out of my car but assures me they mean me no harm when confronted turns to go, what to do?
They have to break into your kitchen to do that.Generally, someone breaking into your garage isn't there to make you pancakes.
Take their picture with the cell phone you always have with you, then call 911 and report a burglary. Better still take video with your cell phone, THEN call 911.Thank you BW, exactly my point.. If I'm in the garage with one of the doors up and someone strolls in on the other side and starts jacking stuff out of my car but assures me they mean me no harm when confronted turns to go, what to do?
We both know where that "every bullet has an attorney attached" came from and I agree. The problem we all have is without penalties there will never be any compliance. I know it's easier to let them retreat but it sends the wrong signal by encouraging the same behavior in the future.. The wrong answer is to to let them go but it's the prudent thing to do and frustrates the hell out of me to say it. I guess I'm just venting a little, apologies to all.The cheapest solution is let them go. Remember every bullet has a lawyer attached to it.
And I only think there is one clear cut time you can fire in that situation; when the perp has committed a forcible felony and you can articulate a fear that he is an immediate risk to society and may cause immediate bodily harm to others and therefore must be stopped. e.g. he tried to use a gun to steal your car, and is now running off looking for somebody else to carjack to escape because you put up too much of a fight.
But your scenario as written? Let them go. Its likely not worth the effort and potential lawsuits later.
That is very good thinking and a reminder to use the device with the great camera that we always have.Take their picture with the cell phone you always have with you, then call 911 and report a burglary. Better still take video with your cell phone, THEN call 911.
Why, you being the level headed person that you are, you never drew your weapon, you took pictures or video and dialed 911 intuitively...That is very good thinking and a reminder to use the device with the great camera that we always have.
Now, where do you put your gun while you are snapping pics or video?
Well stop allowing businesses, venues, and government offices to create Gun Free Zones forcing me to disarm and leave my gun in my car. Once again unintended consequences.On another note, STOP LEAVING YOUR F#*#&ING GUNS IN YOUR DAMN CARS!
That too, but lets keep this on target. Your home is not a GFZ. If you regularly leave your gun in your car in your driveway you're just a lazy, irresponsible bastard. There is a good reason gun vaults dont have glass windows.Well stop allowing businesses, venues, and government offices to create Gun Free Zones forcing me to disarm and leave my gun in my car. Once again unintended consequences.
I realize your link is some guy to too lazy to carry his gun into his house so he left it in the car in his driveway.
That is very good thinking and a reminder to use the device with the great camera that we always have.
Now, where do you put your gun while you are snapping pics or video?
I understand when an intruder enters your home self defense is in order but what about entering an attached garage? Someone enters your garage with thievery in mind and you have no idea IF they are armed. Shoot? No Shoot? Seems like you should have some other option than politely asking them them to leave? What's your thoughts INGO.
Thanks for recounting that situation!
Can I now add a hypothetical twist for INGO? (Not necessarily for Hoosier Cowboy.)
What if the intruder at gunpoint states that he means no harm, but will be leaving, and then proceeds to do so?
I don't know about you, but I don't trust the word of the guy breaking into and stealing my stuff.Thanks for recounting that situation!
Can I now add a hypothetical twist for INGO? (Not necessarily for Hoosier Cowboy.)
What if the intruder at gunpoint states that he means no harm, but will be leaving, and then proceeds to do so?
Phone in one hand gun in the other. Don't spend time on phone if you aren't comfortable.Thanks for recounting that situation!
Can I now add a hypothetical twist for INGO? (Not necessarily for Hoosier Cowboy.)
What if the intruder at gunpoint states that he means no harm, but will be leaving, and then proceeds to do so?
<clip> If I'm in the garage with one of the doors up and someone strolls in on the other side and starts jacking stuff out of my car but assures me they mean me no harm when confronted turns to go, what to do?
Always a good idea to wait to make statements with your lawyer present. Immediately following a traumatic event where you feared death is not a good time to be chatting with the police. Let your emotions settle so you can clearly articulate facts with a clear mind.Whatever you do has to meet the "reasonable" test. There are several levels of force between zero force and deadly force that could be reasonable depending on the circumstances.
[1] - Indiana Code 35-41-3-2
Well in this situation I'm doing a pat down of the suspect so I'm not "trusting" that he doesn't have a weapon concealed. Who's to say you "let" him get up and leave since the "honest" thief said he meant no harm and as soon as he does he draws on you? Why give him the upper hand or put yourself in that position. I'm not taking the word of a guy that just broke into my property to steal something when he says he means no harm. It's a tough call but I guess you could make him keep his hands clear until he's well off your property but that's your call.
P.S.: The phone rail option is AWESOME!!
Well in this situation I'm doing a pat down of the suspect so I'm not "trusting" that he doesn't have a weapon concealed. Who's to say you "let" him get up and leave since the "honest" thief said he meant no harm and as soon as he does he draws on you? Why give him the upper hand or put yourself in that position. I'm not taking the word of a guy that just broke into my property to steal something when he says he means no harm. It's a tough call but I guess you could make him keep his hands clear until he's well off your property but that's your call.
P.S.: The phone rail option is AWESOME!!
Because then you get to shoot him.A pat down is a terrible idea when you're all by yourself with a gun in your hand.
Especially when your suspect is not handcuffed.
Distance is your friend.
Why would get close to someone who could disarm you , punch you, or stab you?