"Pride" month is upon us...

[jamil]

It's available as close as your nearest search engine.

Thanks for talking, this is getting circular and repetitive. so I'm going to wish you a good evening.

It's like I said, this isn't going to go anywhere. You're convinced that you're not an ideologue. But you say the things that ideologues say. it's hard to think it's anything else. And you even invoked NAZI! I mean that's quite classical.



ETA: reading this after posting, it's not clear that the last part is a joke. I understand that Nazi was implied first. It's just that it's a common trope, that everyone who disagrees with someone on the left is called a Nazi by the left.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Again, you're classifying it as medical care. It's not actually medical care. I would classify it as a controversial and insufficiently tested alternative treatment for gender dysphoria in youth.

At this point, I'm not sure that we're getting anywhere. You're getting testy with other posters. And they're getting testy with you. This isn't going to lead anywhere good. You'll probably get angry and say intentionally something that gets you banned so you can go down in glory having said your peace. It's just the way these things go.

You seem to think that it's the right that is full of ****. I think everyone is at least a little full of ****. But if you want to limit the **** you're full of, ask yourself if you are full of ****, and then answer honestly.

Is it really the truth that the right is "denying children medical care". Go seek that answer. Find out if you're full of ****.

Is it really the truth that it's because of religious fanaticism? Go seek that answer. Dare to tell yourself the truth that you find. Are you full of ****? That's for you to answer.

Hint. I have a very similar view of the trans issue as the people posting here, though I think I may be more accepting of those who truly have gender dysphoria than some. I'm not religious. I have no god to tell me that men are human males and that women are human females. I believe the science on that. It's pretty solid.

Well said.

I accept there’s a very small percentage of people who have gender dysphoria and they may find some peace going through medical “transition” though my belief is they’d do better adjusting their mental frame to conform with their biology.

Children are a whole other matter. I’ve said my peace on that here and other threads.

Hippocratic oath - the physician pledges to prescribe only beneficial treatments, according to his abilities and judgment; to refrain from causing harm or hurt; and to live an exemplary personal and professional life.

If one does not know the actual effects, short and long term, then there is no proof of benefit.

 

[jamil]

Well said.

I accept there’s a very small percentage of people who have gender dysphoria and they may find some peace going through medical “transition” though my belief is they’d do better adjusting their mental frame to conform with their biology.

Children are a whole other matter. I’ve said my peace on that here and other threads.

Hippocratic oath - the physician pledges to prescribe only beneficial treatments, according to his abilities and judgment; to refrain from causing harm or hurt; and to live an exemplary personal and professional life.

If one does not know the actual effects, short and long term, then there is no proof of benefit.

Obviously I agree. I think that a better treatment for gender dysphoria is helping them deal with the reality they see. I think when you see no real difference in suicide rates before and after transition, it's pretty obvious that gender-affirmation as a treatment isn't that effective. Though there are people who seem just fine afterwards. And maybe it's right for them. Would be great if there were a way to determine which people are better off transitioning. Possibly the suicide rate could improve.

But I strongly suspect that the trans activists would throw a fit over that idea.

 

[Keith_Indy]

It's like I said, this isn't going to go anywhere. You're convinced that you're not an ideologue. But you say the things that ideologues say. it's hard to think it's anything else. And you even invoked NAZI! I mean that's quite classical.



ETA: reading this after posting, it's not clear that the last part is a joke. I understand that Nazi was implied first. It's just that it's a common trope, that everyone who disagrees with someone on the left is called a Nazi by the left.

Technically, I invoked the nazis, but I was talking about a specific nazi who committed atrocities against children and others.

Running experimental hormone treatments on children is unconscionable, puts one squarely beside Dr. Mengele.

I can understand having an emotional reaction to the comparison, but that’s their issue. The emotional outburst is a good sign you’re hitting close to home some how.

Don’t want to get compared to nazi doctors, don’t perform experimental treatments on children.

Putting aside the biblical aspects, I believe I presented valid information to back my case.

We don’t know enough about medically transitioning prepubescent or post pubescent children to make it a “standard of care.”

 

[Keith_Indy]

Obviously I agree. I think that a better treatment for gender dysphoria is helping them deal with the reality they see. I think when you see no real difference in suicide rates before and after transition, it's pretty obvious that gender-affirmation as a treatment isn't that effective. Though there are people who seem just fine afterwards. And maybe it's right for them. Would be great if there were a way to determine which people are better off transitioning. Possibly the suicide rate could improve.

But I strongly suspect that the trans activists would throw a fit over that idea.

Therapy to get to the root of the issue is a very good first step.

Maybe remembering how your parents really wanted a girl is the reason Johnny thinks he’s Jane. Or how they all laughed and made you the center of attention when you played dress up.

IDK

Long term persistence of the feelings despite therapy was always the tipping point of yes or no, from my recollection.

Of course, when your measure of time is determined by how many posts you made on TikTok, results will vary

 

[JCSR]

Wow, I'm gone for a few hours and this thread blew up. I haven't read every post but did any Ingo members come out?
At least the person with no agenda got plenty of attention he/she, they /them seek.

 

[jamil]

Wow, I'm gone for a few hours and this thread blew up. I haven't read every post but did any Ingo members come out?
At least the person with no agenda got plenty of attention he/she, they /them seek.

Uh. Well, I identify as fabric. Does that count?

 

[JCSR]

Uh. Well, I identify as fabric. Does that count?

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After seeing this I can confirm that I am not gay.

 

[Keith_Indy]

I’ll come out…

Spoiler: Out as…..

a Taurus handgun fan

 

[jamil]

 

[JCSR]

I’ll come out…

Spoiler: Out as…..

a Taurus handgun fan

Were did we fail you?

 

[BugI02]

375 Transgender People Murdered In 2021-‘Deadliest Year’ Since Records Began

The annual global list of gender diverse people murdered is released for Transgender Day of Remembrance, held on November 20 each year.

www.forbes.com

Ok, that is a worldwide statistic

Global Trans murders 375
Global Population 2021 7,874,965,825

375 ÷ 7874965825 = 0.0000000476, or less than 1 in 20 million, and your own cite says 70% of those were in South and Central America and a high percentage of them were sex workers. It may surprise you to know that sex workers in general have a higher probability of death by misadventure whether they are gender delusional or not

There were 1171 people struck and killed by lightning in 2021. That problem is 3x as bad. We should obviously fix that first

And that isn't even taking into consideration that the number of trans murders has pretty much nothing to do with your original subject of laws affecting whether minor children should be given puberty blockers because they are under the delusion that they are trans

 

[BigRed]

I’ll come out…

Spoiler: Out as…..

a Taurus handgun fan

Are you sure you're not gay?

 

[BugI02]

Denying children medical care because of religious fanaticism puts one squarely in the same camp with radical Islam.

It isn't NEEDED medical care. Denying unneeded medical intervention to a gender hypochondriac is not the same as denying a person needed medical care

 

[Tombs]

I wonder when conservatives will accept that tolerance isn't working out. Or if they'll continue their limp wristed capitulation even in the face of nonsense we see today?

First it was: "What 2 adults do in private in the bedroom is none of your business"

Then it was: "They deserve to get married, because marriage has legal benefits"

Then: "Of course you have the bake a cake for their wedding, bigot"

And now: "If we can't sexually mutilate your children and teach them about the right diet for anal sex, you're a backwards radical extremist religious nutcase and a nazi"

Tolerance isn't getting us anywhere, it's just allowing them to move the goal post and radicalize in more invasive ways.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Were did we fail you?

First was a stainless PT92 bought for Y2K. Also first handgun. Every Taurus I’ve had has functioned flawlessly. YMMV

 

[ditcherman]

To be fair, while somewhat "heated" at times, it has remained pretty civil. So kudos to everyone, including @Epicenity for keeping it that way.

I’m not talking about civility, it has been a “good” discussion, I just can’t believe some of the retarded logic I’ve read, and that it’s not just immediately shot down. I mean, it is, but he just keeps coming back.
That’s kind of why I’ve stayed out of it, because it has remained civil and I would certainly ruin that.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Are you sure you're not gay?

I’m not a GLOCK fanboi

 

[ditcherman]

Democracy is supposed to be messy, full of tension and debate.

That we can have any discussion about anything gives me hope.

Yea I get that, I’m pretty open to other ideas. We’re all more alike than we are different and all that. But you gotta draw the line somewhere, and the evil these people want to do to children is where I draw it. All the while trying to flip the script and blame god.
Evil. Recognize it.

 

[Tombs]

Democracy is supposed to be messy, full of tension and debate.

That we can have any discussion about anything gives me hope.

You can only have discussion about it in enclaves of people who agree with you, anonymously.

Outside of that, you will lose your job and potentially even your kids.

There really should be no more debate about it at this point, these people are evil and power mad. No quarter should be considered, nor the slightest compromise, until they learn how to respect their fellow countrymen.