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  • jamil

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    Sure. Not a problem. PARENTS have the duty, the obligation, to teach or 'groom' their kids. Parents have the right to decide what what beliefs and behaviors they reinforce to their kids, and if VBS serves the purpose, fine. If a parent wants to send their kids to Vacation Drag Dance School, well... I won't stop them.

    I didn't want anyone pushing their religion on my kids, whether it was the Church or LGBTXYZ. Go have their own kids, and leave mine the **** alone!
    Pretty much what I said about it. Except, it’s not actually grooming to pass your beliefs on to your kids. That’s human nature.
     

    Big Naughty

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    That's the old queer flag. The new one has a triangle for transformers and who knows what else. Of course I fully expect an update on the newest version of the queer flag. I just saw a video making fun of a girl that claims to have multiple personalities. One of those personalities identifies as pastel paint. Unfortunately I'm not making this up.
     

    Keith_Indy

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    Pretty much what I said about it. Except, it’s not actually grooming to pass your beliefs on to your kids. That’s human nature.

    Hmmm, get's into a somewhat grey area... what if those beliefs can be truly be considered harmful? Take nazism, I'd feel sorry for the kid having that passed on to them. You can list any number of ideologies that have dark histories and harmful present day societal effects.

    How can you ban such things from being learned or thought of? It's as bad as trying to compel speech, like requiring a persons personal pronouns are used.
     

    bmbutch

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    As I read some of these comments and others on book of faces, other similar forums, I just keep hearing “depart from me you workers of iniquity, I knew you not”.

    YMMV, I’ll never waiver in believing it’s a lifestyle of abomination, doesn’t mean I won’t treat you with respect.

    Same as anybody I meet, I work hard to judge on character, not color, lifestyle, beliefs, etc., I’ll be nice/cordial if it’s warranted, but don’t think I’ll offer approval.

    My approval isn’t what counts anyway.
     

    jamil

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    You mean like abolitionist did? Or suffragettes did? Or MLK?

    A hundred years later no one is saying, "they didn't follow the change rules and moved too fast!" But ask anyone at the time...



    I don't agree with it, and I certainly don't think it's right, but change is change - and this change is moving at a frightening pace.
    The movements you mentioned are evolved. It wasn’t people gaslighting other people to trick them into adopting your lifestyle. Those movements demonstrated changes were necessary. In the case of abolitionists, it came to blood. But social evolution was heading in the direction of ending slavery. It would have ended eventually.

    I don’t see why you would think that what we’re calling “grooming” is just like the other social movements. The trans revolution is artificial. It’s not just an issue of moving too fast.
     

    JettaKnight

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    The movements you mentioned are evolved. It wasn’t people gaslighting other people to trick them into adopting your lifestyle. Those movements demonstrated changes were necessary. In the case of abolitionists, it came to blood. But social evolution was heading in the direction of ending slavery. It would have ended eventually.
    Why is it that "tricking people" only gets applied to ideas we personally disagree with? Same for gaslighting and grooming.


    I don’t see why you would think that what we’re calling “grooming” is just like the other social movements. The trans revolution is artificial. It’s not just an issue of moving too fast.
    I'm not saying that at all. I'm not saying it's not artificial or not too fast.
    i think we both agree that a lot of trans is influenced by peer pressure and emulation, and the pace of this is amazing. And I'd rather the government not pick either side.


    However in the end it really doesn't matter what I think. You know I don't buy into any of this, but I do want to remain honest.


    Mike Rowe once said if he had a time machine he'd go forward to see how current societal norms are view in the future. Worth considering...
     
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    jake blue

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    As I read some of these comments and others on book of faces, other similar forums, I just keep hearing “depart from me you workers of iniquity, I knew you not”.

    YMMV, I’ll never waiver in believing it’s a lifestyle of abomination, doesn’t mean I won’t treat you with respect.

    Same as anybody I meet, I work hard to judge on character, not color, lifestyle, beliefs, etc., I’ll be nice/cordial if it’s warranted, but don’t think I’ll offer approval.

    My approval isn’t what counts anyway.
    This is can fully understand and mutually respect. It's all a matter of agreeing to disagree and being civil about it. Believe me, spent enough years hating myself, hating God for making me this way, and paddling against the tide until I had to decide whether it was me being unhappy or those whose teaching I was under making me believe I'm supposed to be unhappy with myself. It took a long time but after enough years having parted my ways with that doctrine I've come to accept myself and I'm much more content. So to all this debate about grooming, it isn't just kids who are being groomed. I'm not saying this to be derogatory, but there's a reason you're supposed to go to church every week and not forsake the assembling of yourselves together. Without weekly re-engagement it's easy to first fall away, then forget and finally come to possibly radically different conclusions than what you were being taught. I'd be interested to see some statistics on church attendance post -pandemic compared to prior to glean how many simply haven't returned after almost two years of government overreach barring church gathering.

    But rest assured, regardless of whether we agree or not, you will not see me marching in some gay pride parade or wearing a rainbow. I don't see much about that lifestyle that's worth celebrating or being proud about but there's so many more who also aren't in that lifestyle. They simply want the same things most people want - a loving spouse, maybe kids (we're not all cut out to be parents) and the freedom to be left alone. And that is the only thing I expect from government - the right to enjoy the same pursuit of happiness as anyone else. I don't want anyone to have to compromise their religious beliefs to bake my wedding cake or accept me so long as they aren't actively campaigning to curtail my freedoms in accordance with their religious beliefs.
     
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