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    Is it really the same? It's grooming in that they're trying to get kids that are actually too young to start thinking about whether they're gay or trans, to start thinking that they're gay or trans.
    Which may be unpalatable, but isn't illegal, like sexual abuse (which is where grooming was always applied).



    It seems like a place that parents shouldn't send their children (at least to me).

    I don't like, I don't agree with it, but I'm not about to tell others they can't be involved... Just leave me out.

    So. In that sense. Is VBS grooming?
    That's exactly why I'm against the expansion of the definition of grooming.
     

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    Look, you're free to ignore this if you choose. I'm not even saying adults can't defile themselves anyway they choose. Children are involved. They're not consenting. They can't consent, they are being groomed--groomed to accept, embrace, normalize, and celebrate this stuff. They are victims.
    Show me where anything they're doing is illegal and I'll agree with you.

    Immoral? We both know it is, but not everyone ascribes to the same morality.

    What do you want to do, ban it? Do you really want government to step in and tell parents how to raise their children? Really?
     

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    Do you really want government to step in and tell parents how to raise their children? Really?
    I think what we want is to have parents step in and tell government how NOT to raise their children. But when that happens, government law enforcement raids the school counsel meetings and tries to arrest parents for being _____-phobic.
     

    Ingomike

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    Show me where anything they're doing is illegal and I'll agree with you.
    Illegal is not the definition of wrong, since you like defining words so much.

    And the behavior is illegal anyway, it is called Lascivious behavior, from an online definition, “is sexual behavior or conduct that is considered crude and offensive, or contrary to local moral or other standards of appropriate behavior. In this sense "lascivious" is similar in meaning to "lewd", "indecent", "lecherous", "unchaste", "licentious" or "libidinous".

    An example would be someone showing porn to a child, much as this is presenting sex to those that cannot understand it.
     

    JettaKnight

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    Illegal is not the definition of wrong, since you like defining words so much.

    And the behavior is illegal anyway, it is called Lascivious behavior, from an online definition, “is sexual behavior or conduct that is considered crude and offensive, or contrary to local moral or other standards of appropriate behavior. In this sense "lascivious" is similar in meaning to "lewd", "indecent", "lecherous", "unchaste", "licentious" or "libidinous".


    An example would be someone showing porn to a child, much as this is presenting sex to those that cannot understand it.
    Yup. But in the story were talking about, it's just a dude in a dress; that might be weird and offensive to our morality, but it's not lascivious by societal standards. (That would mean MASH has to leave the air.)
     

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    Yup. But in the story were talking about, it's just a dude in a dress; that might be weird and offensive to our morality, but it's not lascivious by societal standards. (That would mean MASH has to leave the air.)
    Klinger himself knew his behavior was deserving of being thrown out of the service.
     

    jamil

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    WOW, comparing immoral indoctrination (IMO) with VBS; and claiming the 1st Amendment in defense of both? Hmm....does that mean pornography is acceptable for children? That door swings both ways; which is another agenda presented by Disney for your children.

    The frog in the pan is dead.....why not expose children to EVERYTHING. Adults cannot digest what the world is changing into so let's see if the children can save us.

    Please, haven't we sacrificed enough children to god of immorality?
    Wow. That’s quite a leap.
     

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    Which may be unpalatable, but isn't illegal, like sexual abuse (which is where grooming was always applied).



    It seems like a place that parents shouldn't send their children (at least to me).

    I don't like, I don't agree with it, but I'm not about to tell others they can't be involved... Just leave me out.


    That's exactly why I'm against the expansion of the definition of grooming.
    Grooming is just another name for conditioning/brainwashing. Now if it’s your kid, parents do tend to pass on their own beliefs to their kids. But when it’s other people’s kids, nah. That **** should be illegal. If some kids come to the conclusion that they’re gay or trans, that’s their right. And if they come to that conclusion because their parents are, it’s the same kind of thing, as long as no long term irreversible decisions are made. But gaslighting other people’s kids to believe they are should be criminal. Am I right?
     

    jamil

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    Which may be unpalatable, but isn't illegal, like sexual abuse (which is where grooming was always applied).



    It seems like a place that parents shouldn't send their children (at least to me).

    I don't like, I don't agree with it, but I'm not about to tell others they can't be involved... Just leave me out.


    That's exactly why I'm against the expansion of the definition of grooming.
    VBS isn’t what I would classify as grooming. I’m not aware of anyone gaslighting kids at vbs. Some might say indoctrinating, which is technically true. Grooming isn’t the same thing as indoctrination. But not all indoctrination is grooming.
     

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    Or ignore it; don't give in to the rage porn media.


    Look, I don't agree with it, but I agree with the first amendment. The same thing that allows me to have vacation bible school for all the neighborhood kids is the same thing that allows this fruitloop to prance around.

    Otherwise it's just, "Free for me and not for thee".




    And stop calling things you don't agree with, "grooming". It's insulting to actual victims of sexual crimes who really were groomed.
    Growing up my family were/are members of a Methodist Church that my Gfather was a founding member. My gfather, Uncle and my Father were members of the churches Mens Club. That had two shows a year at the church to raise money for the club. Most of the men did drag skits for the show.
    It was done for humor, fun and to raise money.
    It had nothing to do with grooming.
     

    jamil

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    Times change. Social norms change. And I wouldn't get too upset about social norms changing if they were changing through normal social evolution. They're changing because some people want to fundamentally change the US, and even the West.
     
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