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  • Ziggidy

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    Wow. That’s quite a leap.
    Quite a leap? There was a time, not long ago, that we would never indoctrinate our children to crap even close to this especially using the 1st Amendment as an argument. That line has been crossed and children are now used as pawns to further an agenda, all while citing the 1st.

    The results? We are seeing the so called fruits of that labor today. Gender confusion, exposure to preversions, child tranny parties, increased child selling, parents providing gender changes to children, trans day at schools, disney gay indoctrination and a crap room more.

    Awe.....it's ok. We're allowing for the first amendment.

    The1st does nto allow us to do or say what we want. It does not replace common sense.
     

    jamil

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    Quite a leap? There was a time, not long ago, that we would never indoctrinate our children to crap even close to this especially using the 1st Amendment as an argument. That line has been crossed and children are now used as pawns to further an agenda, all while citing the 1st.

    The results? We are seeing the so called fruits of that labor today. Gender confusion, exposure to preversions, child tranny parties, increased child selling, parents providing gender changes to children, trans day at schools, disney gay indoctrination and a crap room more.

    Awe.....it's ok. We're allowing for the first amendment.

    The1st does nto allow us to do or say what we want. It does not replace common sense.
    I'd like to get JK to understand what people are really saying when they call it "grooming". I'd like to get him to admit that it's not a 1A issue. There's not a 1A right to gaslight and con other people's children. But he thinks that this is not what's happening. That they're only being advocates for their lifestyle. But, to go from that to "pornography is okay for children" I think is quite a leap.
     

    GodFearinGunTotin

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    An entire month of corporations pandering and showing how "woke" they are. I'm glad I don't work at any of them.
    Yeah, you're lucky. It's an entire month where if you disagree with the celebration, you'd especially better keep your mouth shut. Non-"allies" are not tolerated.
     

    tackdriver

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    Or ignore it; don't give in to the rage porn media.


    Look, I don't agree with it, but I agree with the first amendment. The same thing that allows me to have vacation bible school for all the neighborhood kids is the same thing that allows this fruitloop to prance around.

    Otherwise it's just, "Free for me and not for thee".




    And stop calling things you don't agree with, "grooming". It's insulting to actual victims of sexual crimes who really were groomed.
    Expressing the belief that these people are 'fruitloops' is fair. Expressing that adult fruitloops should not entice children to aspire to become fruitloops, is also fair.

    As for grooming, it all starts somewhere.

    It's not a home invasion until the criminal actually enters the home. When I see a stranger, dressed in black, peeking in my neighbors windows at 3 a.m., I think it's fair to raise the alarm. It's not an insult to other victims of home invasions.
     

    tackdriver

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    So. In that sense. Is VBS grooming?
    Sure. Not a problem. PARENTS have the duty, the obligation, to teach or 'groom' their kids. Parents have the right to decide what what beliefs and behaviors they reinforce to their kids, and if VBS serves the purpose, fine. If a parent wants to send their kids to Vacation Drag Dance School, well... I won't stop them.

    I didn't want anyone pushing their religion on my kids, whether it was the Church or LGBTXYZ. Go have their own kids, and leave mine the **** alone!
     

    tackdriver

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    Growing up my family were/are members of a Methodist Church that my Gfather was a founding member. My gfather, Uncle and my Father were members of the churches Mens Club. That had two shows a year at the church to raise money for the club. Most of the men did drag skits for the show.
    It was done for humor, fun and to raise money.
    It had nothing to do with grooming.
    ... and that is not this!
     

    Keith_Indy

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    I'[m lost - who are we talking about? Hating (a part) of America and creating an angry and violent society can be any number of actors all across the political spectrum.



    As to "grooming" - that word in almost exclusively used for sexual abuse in a negative context. I have yet to ever hear, "The KKK is grooming kids to be racist."

    Grooming occurs in cults as well, and that's the context I've heard about most my life, minus when the NAMBLA scandals occurred.

    "Grooming is a strategy employed by abusers to make their victims more comfortable with them with the goal of manipulating, abusing or exploiting them."


    Though grooming can take many different forms, it often follows a similar pattern.

    • Victim selection: Abusers often observe possible victims and select them based on ease of access to them or their perceived vulnerability.
    • Gaining access and isolating the victim: Abusers will attempt to physically or emotionally separate a victim from those protecting them and often seek out positions in which they have contact with minors.
    • Trust development and keeping secrets: Abusers attempt to gain trust of a potential victim through gifts, attention, sharing “secrets” and other means to make them feel that they have a caring relationship and to train them to keep the relationship secret.
    • Desensitization to touch and discussion of sexual topics: Abusers will often start to touch a victim in ways that appear harmless, such as hugging, wrestling and tickling, and later escalate to increasingly more sexual contact, such as massages or showering together. Abusers may also show the victim pornography or discuss sexual topics with them, to introduce the idea of sexual contact.
    • Attempt by abusers to make their behavior seem natural, to avoid raising suspicions. For teens, who may be closer in age to the abuser, it can be particularly hard to recognize tactics used in grooming. Be alert for signs that your teen has a relationship with an adult that includes secrecy, undue influence or control, or pushes personal boundaries.

     
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    tackdriver

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    As to "grooming" - that word in almost exclusively used for sexual abuse in a negative context. I have yet to ever hear, "The KKK is grooming kids to be racist."
    I don't know who You hang out with, but that isn't my experience. I still hear and use the word groom/grooming in a multitude of ways that don't involve pedophilia.

    Then again - I also retarded the timing on my car, and used fire retardant materials around my welder.
     

    Leo

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    Is it really the same? It's grooming in that they're trying to get kids that are actually too young to start thinking about whether they're gay or trans, to start thinking that they're gay or trans.

    So. In that sense. Is VBS grooming?
    Any influence and experience on small children shapes their world view. I did not figure out that we were poor until 1/2 way through 1st grade. I did not realize many of our friends were poor.

    For example, in the middle east, it is common to raise kids to hate Jews. Those kids had never met a Jew. From the earliest age they are taught that hate against people of Israel is the right thing. To say that a 16 year old in that area makes his own choice to hate Jews is totally disingenuous.

    To bring up a child in any perversion and then say the child chose it for himself at 6, 10, 16, or 18 years old is ridiculous.

    I think VBS is kind of grooming. I also support it. "Grooming" someone to live righteously is a good thing for any society, including a pluralistic or even a straight atheist society.
     

    tackdriver

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    And you would be wrong sir but hey that’s just my own humble opinion.

    Let those minds form their own opinions when they get old enough to actually understand what they are looking at.
    I agree with you.

    I think I was just looking for any possible silver lining, since I can't stop it from happening. If my kids were exposed to this when they were young, how would I help them understand what they saw? Defining Man and Woman would have to be a central part of it. :)
     

    tackdriver

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    OK, that's a too far. A line has been crossed.
    There is no more line. The far left has abolished it. Whenever the majority tries to re-establish it, they scream "Racist - Bigot - Sexist - Homophobe!!!!!!! AAHHHHHHH!!! You're words are violent!!!"

    Next they will change the meaning of the word "Line", just like everything else.
     

    tackdriver

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    I learned that if some people are born with a certain predilection and it happens in nature, we must embrace it. So don't be haters fellas.
    Can we embrace it the way the packs/flocks/herds often do in nature? I'm asking for a friend.
     

    churchmouse

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    I agree with you.

    I think I was just looking for any possible silver lining, since I can't stop it from happening. If my kids were exposed to this when they were young, how would I help them understand what they saw? Defining Man and Woman would have to be a central part of it. :)
    I see you point.
    This would put you in that position to put up a definition.
     
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