Vaccine coercion/bribery

[phylodog]

It's never gonna end

 

[DoggyDaddy]

It's never gonna end

FJB and FTB.

 

[BigRed]

It's never gonna end

Something makes me recall what Winston Churchill noted:

Each one hopes that if he feeds the crocodile enough, the crocodile will eat him last. All of them hope that the storm will pass before their turn comes to be devoured. But I fear greatly that the storm will not pass. It will rage and it will roar ever more loudly, ever more widely.

 

[jamil]

How is that supposed to make any sense (I realize government isn't liable to that constraint)

It doesn't make any sense if the purpose for the mandates is to protect an employer's workers from covid, for the sake of argument, assuming that vaccines do that. If the purpose of the mandates is to get a shot in the arms of as many people as possible, without regard to any other reasoning, then it makes sense. The administration is using this to make a de facto mandate because they're not gonna get such a thing through the system legitimately. And there is plenty of upside to pharma companies left on the table.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Wait. There’s a new variant?


Heh. Guess I didn’t give a **** about the original Covid and I could give a **** less about the new Covid. Stop researching, stop wearing masks, stop reading articles and watching interviews. Let it die, give it no attention, live your lives like you did in 2018, and let the liberals scurry to find some other way to grab power.

Kirk and JK can keep their masks on and a booster shot next to their epi pens, but for the rest of us if we keep giving sheep attention they’ll keep coming up with new ways to keep it going.

 

[BigRed]

Wait. There’s a new variant?


Heh. Guess I didn’t give a **** about the original Covid and I could give a **** less about the new Covid. Stop researching, stop wearing masks, stop reading articles and watching interviews. Let it die, give it no attention, live your lives like you did in 2018, and let the liberals scurry to find some other way to grab power.

Kirk and JK can keep their masks on and a booster shot next to their epi pens, but for the rest of us if we keep giving sheep attention they’ll keep coming up with new ways to keep it going.

Amen.

PS: Scariant would be a more fitting term.

 

[jamil]

"The authors concluded that vaccination after natural infection is unlikely to have any benefit for recovered COVID patients."

“Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.”

"By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave."

That is from the article. Doesn't say anything about a first or second shot. Says they are unlikely to benefit from the vaccine period, and that the vaccine should be given to those who have never been infected.

I saw the source and the date of the article (Aug 1) and thought this was the Israeli study, which reflects what I posted. This is an article reported in an Israeli media site on a US study conducted in Ohio.

The study I was referring to is this:

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections

Background Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear. Methods We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups...

www.medrxiv.org

So, there are two conflicting outcomes, one, which involved > 50K in the study group, says there's no benefit from any vaccination after infection. The other, the Israeli study, which involved > 600K in the study group, says there's some benefit to being vaccinated 1 dose after infection, but that there is no benefit to having a second dose.

Both were large studies. The Israeli study reviewed an order of magnitude more people, and the time period of both studies were different. Which one should we believe? I guess we could believe the one that tells the story we most want to be true. For me, I look at them both as data points, which at least supports that natural immunity is likely better than immunity from the vaccine alone.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

It's only a conspiracy till it comes true.

FJB

 

[1DOWN4UP]

Well ain't this special.

https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

Pfizer own data

 

[DoggyDaddy]

live your lives like you did in 2018

Two thousand twenty twenty, party over, oops out of time
So tonight we're gonna party like it's pre-Covid-one-nine!

 

[Magyars]

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Wait. There’s a new variant?


Heh. Guess I didn’t give a **** about the original Covid and I could give a **** less about the new Covid. Stop researching, stop wearing masks, stop reading articles and watching interviews. Let it die, give it no attention, live your lives like you did in 2018, and let the liberals scurry to find some other way to grab power.

Kirk and JK can keep their masks on and a booster shot next to their epi pens, but for the rest of us if we keep giving sheep attention they’ll keep coming up with new ways to keep it going.

I don't wear a mask. Why do you claim I do?

Mask was a good idea, pre-vaccines, but the stop gap is done.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Two thousand twenty twenty, party over, oops out of time
So tonight we're gonna party like it's pre-Covid-one-nine!

Be honest, you just want a reason to wear purple.

 

[wtburnette]

I don't wear a mask. Why do you claim I do?

Mask was a good idea, pre-vaccines, but the stop gap is done.

That doesn't make any sense. The vaccine doesn't prevent the spread of the virus, so why would it make a difference from a masking perspective? Masks were a good idea only when we thought the virus wasn't airborne. After we knew it was airborne masks became nothing more than a virtue signaling device.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

That doesn't make any sense. The vaccine doesn't prevent the spread of the virus, so why would it make a difference from a masking perspective? Masks were a good idea only when we thought the virus wasn't airborne. After we knew it was airborne masks became nothing more than a virtue signaling device.

I disagree. The vaccine does prevent the spread of the virus. Masking does make a difference, how big a difference, well, remains to be seen.

Masks were a good idea, especially in crowed public places, but the government handled it poorly and with outright lies.

The good news about the latest mutation is that is seems to be the mildest of the herd. Let's hope the trend continues.

 

[Mgderf]

Anyone with remaining questions about the effectiveness of masks should Google the word "micron".
Micron is a unit of measurement and it involves incredibly small particles.
Now, with that information, search the size of a virus particle.

You can make your own conclusions.

 

[wtburnette]

I disagree. The vaccine does prevent the spread of the virus. Masking does make a difference, how big a difference, well, remains to be seen.

Masks were a good idea, especially in crowed public places, but the government handled it poorly and with outright lies.

The good news about the latest mutation is that is seems to be the mildest of the herd. Let's hope the trend continues.

Only N95 or better masks with a proper seal and procedures does any good and maybe not even them. The cloth/paper masks everyone uses over and over don't do anything. The virus is smaller than the weave of the mask. The fantastic analogy I heard about it was that using a mask to stop the virus is like trying to stop mosquitos with a chain link fence. Just doesn't work, although it's great as a virtue signaling device, or as a placebo to give someone false confidence.

 

[wtburnette]

Anyone with remaining questions about the effectiveness of masks should Google the word "micron".
Micron is a unit of measurement and it involves incredibly small particles.
Now, with that information, search the size of a virus particle.

You can make your own conclusions.

You beat me to it with great info!

 

[wtburnette]

I see clear examples every day of the evils of censorship and propaganda. The fact that BS has been pushed so hard on people that they don't seem to engage their brains any more. Explain to me how cloth masks stop a virus? They don't. It's not rocket science people. They do help prevent the spread of non-airborne illnesses, but an airborne virus is not stopped by a mask. Why do you think researchers wear the spacesuit looking things with self contained air supplies? Cause that's what it takes. When we're issued these to wear, then I'll think I'm doing something to help my fellow man. Covering my face with a piece of cloth does nothing except show my overlords that I'm following their orders.

 

[jamil]

I don't wear a mask. Why do you claim I do?

Mask was a good idea, pre-vaccines, but the stop gap is done.

No they weren’t. They were thought to be a good idea by the masses who listened to ideological hypocrites flapping their gums. Surgical and N95 masks were somewhat a good idea. Cloth masks weren’t a good idea. Ever.