Vaccine coercion/bribery

[Mgderf]

This whole vaccine debacle just grinds my gears.

News reports yesterday outlined an Ohio woman who won a 1 million dollar "raffle" for getting a vaccine.
Other states/municipalities are offering free drinks, free joints, free rides, free concerts... all in an effort to entice fence-sitters to take theCovid-19 vaccine.

The question arises, if this vaccine were the be-all/end-all, ultimate answer to this "pandemic", why aren't people beating down the doors clamoring for their individual salvation?

When you offer something of worth or value, people will beat a path to your door.
The fact that the government feels the need to bribe, or try to coerce people into compliance tells me to question the dominate paradigm.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Natural reluctance of a percentage of the population to let others do the "beta testing". "You first"--only natural.

I have no problem paying people to take it, incentives over coercion, any day, every day.

The longer the vaccine is out, the more people will voluntarily take it.

 

[shantyshaker12]

Some people are against taking the shot at this time. The vaccine is experimental and only for emergency use. What long term effects are there? No one knows unfortunately, I myself don't want to be a guinea pig for big pharma, they can not be sued or held responsible for any adverse effects. I, like Rand Paul stated the other day, have already had Covid-19 and therefore naturally possess the antibodies to fight the virus, so no experimental vaccine for me. Just my two cents, but I know others who feel the same way. I also question why the urgency pushing people to get the vaccine even using gimmicks to get us to go get the jab.

 

[Colt556]

I’m worried about them using the vaccine as a requirement for employment, travel and services. I know that some places are already doing this in one form or another but when it becomes mandatory for your job, education or ability to move about what are you going to do. If you think about it nobody ever heard about COVID-19 a little over a year ago and now it’s all you hear about. To think that from being an unknown bug a year ago and that they have a vaccine they want the entire population to get is mind boggling. To discover the cause, develop a vaccine, get it approved and into mass production in that amount of time is astronomically amazing! No real testing, no long term studies, no real experience with side effects and no idea at all how affective it’ll be over time. Sorry gang, Way to many variables for me. To paraphrase Ronnie the most feared words to hear are “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”

 

[NHT3]

Using taxpayer money to bribe someone to take a vaccine OR vote is wrong.. Also, by their own account only 50-60% of the employees at the CDC is vaccinated according to the CDC chiefette. She said CDC can't require employees to be vaccinated or even ask if they have been so she didn't have a number. When everyone in the Federal govt. is vaccinated then they might convince me to consider it. Although it's a small percentage, too many people have expired within an hour of being vaccinated for me to consider it.

 

[eldirector]

I'm more annoyed with using taxpayer money to fund the vaccine, taxpayer money to find its distribution, and then more taxpayer money to fund the bribery.

In an actual pandemic, wouldn't folks be throwing money at the pharmacy to get it for themselves?

 

[phylodog]

I've already set my price and it's non negotiable. If someone wants to pay off my mortgage to assure my family's security then I'll take the vaccine. Otherwise, I'll pass.

 

[jamil]

Natural reluctance of a percentage of the population to let others do the "beta testing". "You first"--only natural.

I have no problem paying people to take it, incentives over coercion, any day, every day.

The longer the vaccine is out, the more people will voluntarily take it.

Paying people to take a vaccine is not a purpose I'd want my tax money going towards. It's not all that likely to get people vaccinated that are the real skeptics anyway. You're paying people for what they'd do otherwise.

It's like gun buybacks. That doesn't get guns "off the streets." It clears out old people's attics, and it gives gun owners a way to make at least a little money off some junk in their inventories.

The highlighted text is the proper and only policy needed. And for the skeptics, maybe the people pushing vaccines should stop acting like they have other motives than just to get people to take them. When governments and the tech giants start shaming campaigns, yeah, **** you.

 

[phylodog]

In an actual pandemic, wouldn't folks be throwing money at the pharmacy to get it for themselves?

If Covid were the legitimate threat to our species it's been claimed to be there would have been a global effort to develop a vaccine or other methods of stopping it. Instead, we have a few companies making billions of dollars selling the "cure". The only global effort we've seen has been in sales and marketing.

 

[Leadeye]

Don't want to hire me because I don't have a covid passport? No problem, I'll work for, and make money for, one of your competitors who will.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

The question arises, if this vaccine were the be-all/end-all, ultimate answer to this "pandemic", why aren't people beating down the doors clamoring for their individual salvation?

If guns are so great for self-defense why are so many people opposed to them?
If socialism is an obvious failure why do so many people still want it?


The answer is simple: Not everyone can be fully informed about every subject. Some people are plainly misinformed. Some people profit from spreading that misinformation. And some people just choose to remain ignorant, in denial, or just plain contrarian

 

[Pepi]

Wonder if they will start pushing the Flu vaccine now. Oh wait ... There is no type A or B flu now

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I've already set my price and it's non negotiable. If someone wants to pay off my mortgage to assure my family's security then I'll take the vaccine. Otherwise, I'll pass.

Stop making me love you!

 

[Jaybird1980]

Paying people to take a vaccine is not a purpose I'd want my tax money going towards. It's not all that likely to get people vaccinated that are the real skeptics anyway. You're paying people for what they'd do otherwise.

It's like gun buybacks. That doesn't get guns "off the streets." It clears out old people's attics, and it gives gun owners a way to make at least a little money off some junk in their inventories.

The highlighted text is the proper and only policy needed. And for the skeptics, maybe the people pushing vaccines should stop acting like they have other motives than just to get people to take them. When governments and the tech giants start shaming campaigns, yeah, **** you.

This^^^

Paying people to take something is ridiculous, if they want it they will get it.
I think paying people will actually make others that kind of want it wait until it's their turn to get paid. If you pay a few people the rest will expect to be paid also.

I think it shows how little they think of people and how low some people's standards are.

If you do it I will give you ice cream hasn't worked on me since I was 6.

 

[jamil]

If Covid were the legitimate threat to our species it's been claimed to be there would have been a global effort to develop a vaccine or other methods of stopping it. Instead, we have a few companies making billions of dollars selling the "cure". The only global effort we've seen has been in sales and marketing.

Eh, I don't think of it that way. Yeah, the effort wasn't very collective in that the companies didn't exactly work together in tight collaboration to develop vaccines. But it did happen how I would expect that to happen in a crony capitalistic system. Companies were in a race to get theirs ready first. The global competition was actually a bit surprising. And to the crony aspect, Governments thew taxpayers' money at vaccine developers, fast-tracked (skipped the normal approval process), shielded companies from liability, and bought millions of doses from them. But what happened I wouldn't not classify as not being a global effort, and not indicative of the threat to society.

 

[ditcherman]

I've already set my price and it's non negotiable. If someone wants to pay off my mortgage to assure my family's security then I'll take the vaccine. Otherwise, I'll pass.

I never thought of you as a sellout like that.
Hmmm.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

If Covid were the legitimate threat to our species it's been claimed to be there would have been a global effort to develop a vaccine or other methods of stopping it. Instead, we have a few companies making billions of dollars selling the "cure". The only global effort we've seen has been in sales and marketing.

Evaluating the severity of the threat level is opinion... definitiely not "end of the species" level threat, IMO...

But to assert there haven't been global efforts to develop treatments and vaccines?

Eh, I don't think of it that way. Yeah, the effort wasn't very collective in that the companies didn't exactly work together in tight collaboration to develop vaccines. But it did happen how I would expect that to happen in a crony capitalistic system. Companies were in a race to get theirs ready first. The global competition was actually a bit surprising. And to the crony aspect, Governments thew taxpayers' money at vaccine developers, fast-tracked (skipped the normal approval process), shielded companies from liability, and bought millions of doses from them. But what happened I wouldn't not classify as not being a global effort, and not indicative of the threat to society.

Eh, I don't think of it that way.

The collaborative approach leads to CDC ****ing up the first COVID tests... to all of EU betting on the AstroZeneca vaccine.

Trump/OWS seeded 5 vaccines to compete to come up with the best... and to ensure that at least one, worked... it's why we, the US, have three to choose from.

Competition is the opposite of cronyism, IMO.
n't been global efforts for vaccines and treatments?

 

[phylodog]

I never thought of you as a sellout like that.
Hmmm.

My time here is limited, very likely much more so than my wife and certainly my children. I'm essentially the sole breadwinner and if I'm gone that money stops showing up. They're my focus and my concern 10 fold over my own. Their safety and security are worth the gamble if it paid off the house and I didn't lose my job from refusing.

 

[phylodog]

Evaluating the severity of the threat level is opinion... definitiely not "end of the species" level threat, IMO...

But to assert there haven't been global efforts to develop treatments and vaccines?

Not what I said. There have been global efforts but those efforts have been and will continue to be profit based (sales & marketing), not an "all skate" situation where saving lives was the goal. It's been about money and power from day one.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

If you do it I will give you ice cream hasn't worked on me since I was 6.

Well, not so fast. What kind of ice cream are we talkin'?