Vaccine coercion/bribery

[Ingomike]

I either agree with several of the things you say, except in red... no, it doesn't. The mRNA vaccines do not enter the cell nucleus and do not interact with the cell's DNA.

Also, calling mRNA vaccines "gene modification therapy" that "messes with people's DNA" is just factually false, and calling that out is not nit picking. IMO, it is false disinformation much akin to when MSM/TPTB call AR's "assault rifle/machine gun/weapons of war"... and, yeah, IMO both are fear-monge

Of course there are other opinions...

COVID-19 vaccines are not conventional vaccines made with live or attenuated viruses. They're actually gene therapies. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are made with lipid nanoparticles that contain polyethylene glycol (PEG)8 and messenger RNA (mRNA).

mRNA are snippets of genetic code that carries instructions for cells to produce proteins. The definition of genetic is "relating to genes" and genes contain instructional code that tell the body what proteins to make. Therapy is the medical treatment of disease, so mRNA vaccines are very clearly gene therapy.

As noted by David Martin, Ph.D., Moderna's SEC filings9 specify and stress that the FDA considers its technology a "gene therapy technology," originally intended for cancer treatment. Its mechanism of action also confirms it to be gene therapy. The mRNA gene therapies currently being misleadingly marketed as "vaccines" turn your cells into bioreactors that churn out viral proteins to incite an immune response, and there's no off-switch.10

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Of course there are other opinions...

COVID-19 vaccines are not conventional vaccines made with live or attenuated viruses. They're actually gene therapies. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are made with lipid nanoparticles that contain polyethylene glycol (PEG)8 and messenger RNA (mRNA).

mRNA are snippets of genetic code that carries instructions for cells to produce proteins. The definition of genetic is "relating to genes" and genes contain instructional code that tell the body what proteins to make. Therapy is the medical treatment of disease, so mRNA vaccines are very clearly gene therapy.

As noted by David Martin, Ph.D., Moderna's SEC filings9 specify and stress that the FDA considers its technology a "gene therapy technology," originally intended for cancer treatment. Its mechanism of action also confirms it to be gene therapy. The mRNA gene therapies currently being misleadingly marketed as "vaccines" turn your cells into bioreactors that churn out viral proteins to incite an immune response, and there's no off-switch.10

So, "gene therapy", not "gene modification therapy"?

ETA: FDA:What is Gene Therapy?

 

[jsx1043]

 

[wtburnette]

The problem is, as with most things, if you get down too far in the weeds you're actually distracting from the issue. The issue is that there are reasons people are reluctant or unwilling to take the "vaccine". Even if these were traditional vaccines, it wouldn't matter. It would still be something that should be up to each individual person to decide whether they want to take or not. The government has no right to make this decision for anyone.

 

[rooster]

The mRNA vaccines do not enter the cell nucleus and do not interact with the cell's DNA.

We know that the virus injects it’s own code in the dna via the rna processes. Why is it such a leap to think the vaccines don’t cause some of the same reaction?

Reverse-transcribed SARS-CoV-2 RNA can integrate into the genome of cultured human cells and can be expressed in patient-derived tissues

An unresolved issue of SARS-CoV-2 disease is that patients often remain positive for viral RNA as detected by PCR many weeks after the initial infection in the absence of evidence for viral replication. We show here that SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of...

www.pnas.org

 

[rooster]

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gotta dehumanize those who refuse the vaccine and make those that took it feel superior. Unmasking the vaccinated while making other wear one was supposed to be the Star of David but that failed. This path is predictable

 

[jamil]

I either agree with several of the things you say, except in red... no, it doesn't. The mRNA vaccines do not enter the cell nucleus and do not interact with the cell's DNA.

Also, calling mRNA vaccines "gene modification therapy" that "messes with people's DNA" is just factually false, and calling that out is not nit picking. IMO, it is false disinformation much akin to when MSM/TPTB call AR's "assault rifle/machine gun/weapons of war"... and, yeah, IMO both are fear-mongering.

Is “false disinformation” a double negative?

 

[jamil]

I don’t have a problem if people call it gene therapy as long as they don’t attempt to imply that as particularly sinister. Some people in these discussions have done that. Alright. Fine. It’s gene therapy. So?

I don’t have a problem with people calling it a vaccine as long as people don’t attempt to imply that as being effectively like a traditional vaccine, as if all the knowlege gained from experience with traditional vaccines can be applied. And some people in these discussions have done that too. Just because some things may be true about traditional vaccines does not mean we should assume that the same is true about these.

 

[jsx1043]

A couple questions for our resident doctors and those who received the shot:

Doctors:

Do you have the products in your practices? And if so, have you administered them or would you administer them?

Recipients:

If you received a shot, did you get it at your doctor’s office?

 

[foszoe]

A couple questions for our resident doctors and those who received the shot:

Doctors:

Do you have the products in your practices? And if so, have you administered them or would you administer them?

Recipients:

If you received a shot, did you get it at your doctor’s office?

County Health department

 

[DoggyDaddy]

A couple questions for our resident doctors and those who received the shot:

Doctors:

Do you have the products in your practices? And if so, have you administered them or would you administer them?

Recipients:

If you received a shot, did you get it at your doctor’s office?

Got mine at Kroger.

 

[BE Mike]

Living in the deep south of Indiana, I was looking forward to taking my granddaughters to the KY State Fair this year as it was cancelled last year due to COVID-19. There is no "shot" available for their age group. Now, with this new rise in COVID-19 cases, we'll have to wear masks indoors if they don't cancel the whole affair. I'm deeply disappointed. The new cases have precipitated this decision. My wife, my daughter and son-in-law got our Pfizer shots at the hospital drive-through. If a booster shot is deemed necessary, we'll get that too. We won't have to be bribed or cajoled.

 

[wtburnette]

Yes, he's a right wing pundit, but I'm not hearing any misinformation:

 

[jamil]

Yes, he's a right wing pundit, but I'm not hearing any misinformation:

He’s right. Biden should be bitch-slapped by the courts. I mean, knock-down full power backhand right across the left cheek, bloody lip full bitch-slap.

I don’t see that happening in today’s climate.

 

[phylodog]

Indeed. I'm struggling a bit, as I mentioned, to find actual high quality reportage

Information I thought I had links to has gone missing

I'm really getting tired of the 'fluidity' of information availability. It used to be you didn't have to bookmark everything or it often can't be found, or worse yet you do bookmark it and when you open the link it isn't there anymore

I think we’re rapidly closing in on a solid impasse concerning Covid and the virus.

Those who have taken the virus are too heavily invested now to look back. Those who have been hesitant are provided with conflicting information so regularly that finding any confidence on any of it is highly unlikely.

I’m beginning to wonder if it isn’t intentional. Just another “us vs them” situation to help keep the country divided.

The harder they push the less likely I become to take the vaccine. I don’t see that changing down the road. Nothing is free from politics and I’ll not go against my intuition to please anyone when it’s my health I consider to be at risk. I get one shot on this rock and I won’t be conned into potentially cutting it short.

 

[wtburnette]

He’s right. Biden should be bitch-slapped by the courts. I mean, knock-down full power backhand right across the left cheek, bloody lip full bitch-slap.

I don’t see that happening in today’s climate.

Nor do I and that's a shame.

 

[phylodog]

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**** The Atlantic and anyone else so naive as to believe this ********. This type of **** is what is going to cause a significant shift in the daily temperature of this country. Keep this up and things are gonna get very hot and there won't be a shot anyone can take to cool things off.

 

[wtburnette]

**** The Atlantic and anyone else so naive as to believe this ********. This type of **** is what is going to cause a significant shift in the daily temperature of this country. Keep this up and things are gonna get very hot and there won't be a shot anyone can take to cool things off.

Well, there will be shots that can be administered that will lead to a lot of people being room temp. Just sayin...

 

[phylodog]

Well, there will be shots that can be administered that will lead to a lot of people being room temp. Just sayin...

Indeed.

Like I've said before, don't start none, won't be none. Make your choice, be happy you have one and shut the **** up. Start trying to take away that choice from others to make yourself feel better about your decisions and there are going to be substantial problems.

 

[jamil]

**** The Atlantic and anyone else so naive as to believe this ********. This type of **** is what is going to cause a significant shift in the daily temperature of this country. Keep this up and things are gonna get very hot and there won't be a shot anyone can take to cool things off.

So you're saying it will lead to global warming?