The Open Carry Argument

[yote hunter]

Depends on where i am at and what i am doing, sometimes i feel its better to be more discrete just so i don't give the op a chance to go after me first if shtf and my OC is exposed. Gives me a sec to get the advantage.

 

[Ziggidy]

I use Perry suspenders to help carry my Redhawk. I could not suggest them enough if one ever carries a heavier firearm because they make all the difference.

I cannot agree more.

 

[protias]

Depends on where i am at and what i am doing, sometimes i feel its better to be more discrete just so i don't give the op a chance to go after me first if shtf and my OC is exposed. Gives me a sec to get the advantage.

Just curious if you read the first post? Something about "being shot first"...

 

[yote hunter]

Just curious if you read the first post? Something about "being shot first"...

Yes sir I did and again like i said depends on where i am at or what i am doing, to each their own.

 

[cbhausen]

For this, I like the Safariland 6378 ALS.

Good choice, I love the Safariland stuff. I used the 6378 until the 7378 came out. For me, better in every way. The Safari 7 Nylon is injection molded, is easier on your firearm (way less abrasive than leather or Kydex), and fits the gun better while allowing space around the gun for debris to shake out:

 

[Hawkeye]

Well, pants have always been optional on INGO.......

Don

What about codpieces?

 

[protias]

What about codpieces?

Also optional...

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

Can you get a good piece of cod at Red Lobster?

 

[2A_Tom]

Why would anyone want a piece of cod when there are much nicer fish in the sea?

Red Lobster draws in air quickly.

 

[armiker]

Just carry open or concealed. Better to have one and not need it that to need and not have.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

Why would anyone want a piece of cod when there are much nicer fish in the sea?

Red Lobster draws in air quickly.

I agree.

 

[J Galt]

Apologies if this has been addressed already, I confess I did not read all 193 pages of posts.

There is a general feeling among some gun owners that if there are people that don't agree with gun ownership, then they should not own guns. They should not push their beliefs on us. Disregard that the 2nd Amendment makes gun ownership a right, just look at the idea that we should be left alone and respect the decisions of others.

If that is the case, why does it raise such strong emotions when someone discusses OC vs CC? Shouldn't each side leave the other alone and respect the decisions of others?

Not intending to stir the pot. Just curious why human nature seems to compel people to force conformity on others.

 

[wtburnette]

Apologies if this has been addressed already, I confess I did not read all 193 pages of posts.

There is a general feeling among some gun owners that if there are people that don't agree with gun ownership, then they should not own guns. They should not push their beliefs on us. Disregard that the 2nd Amendment makes gun ownership a right, just look at the idea that we should be left alone and respect the decisions of others.

If that is the case, why does it raise such strong emotions when someone discusses OC vs CC? Shouldn't each side leave the other alone and respect the decisions of others?

Not intending to stir the pot. Just curious why human nature seems to compel people to force conformity on others.

There's a segment of gun owners that feel that the way they do things is the only way to do things. This happens in most everything we do as humans. A lot of the info in this thread is basically in support of why OC is just as acceptable, or more so in some cases, as CC. Honestly, it boils down to each individual gun owner and what method they're most comfortable with. I'm in the JFC (just freakin carry group). That said, I would also stick on caveats that you should use proper equipment, get training and carry with a round in the chamber.

 

[actaeon277]

I don't know if I know any OCers that tell CCers that they must/should OC.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Apologies if this has been addressed already, I confess I did not read all 193 pages of posts.

There is a general feeling among some gun owners that if there are people that don't agree with gun ownership, then they should not own guns. They should not push their beliefs on us. Disregard that the 2nd Amendment makes gun ownership a right, just look at the idea that we should be left alone and respect the decisions of others.

If that is the case, why does it raise such strong emotions when someone discusses OC vs CC? Shouldn't each side leave the other alone and respect the decisions of others?

Not intending to stir the pot. Just curious why human nature seems to compel people to force conformity on others.

I am not going to reiterate good points others have already addressed. For full disclosure, I do not OC because I am just not comfortable that way. If you do, do so with my blessing. As for the conformists, I believe many of them have bought into enough propaganda that they tiptoe around like we are spreading a disease. It seems to work in the same way as pornography in the pre-internet days being mailed in plain wrappers with a return addressed designed to avoid exposing the actual point of origin.

 

[wtburnette]

I don't know if I know any OCers that tell CCers that they must/should OC.

But do you know the reverse?

 

[jaymark6655]

Disclaimer: I carry both (sometimes at the same time) and I don't care how you carry and I am not trying to convince you OC or CC is better, just an observation.

So I see a lot of CC gives me time to assess the situation and gives me the advantage. Not sure this argument/position works, since no matter who you are and how much you practice, drawing from concealed will always be slower. In the situation where you don't have time since you were singled out for the attack since they viewed you as a weak target, your chance to assess the situation has already passed. You likely didn't see the attack coming because the guy asking you for the time or a light focused your attention while his buddies circled in behind you or slipped out of that "empty" alley you just passed. Yes they might be surprised that you have a gun, but has soon as start the movement to draw, they have identified what is happening and probably can react to it faster than your draw. This is why you don't draw on someone holding a gun on you unless they are distracted by something and even then, you better be fast. This position of strength and surprise due to CC only seems to consider attacks that don't directly involve us (defending some other innocent) or possible active shooter situations. It just seems similar to the don't carry one in the chamber argument because its safer and it will give me time to assess/time to think it through before drawing (no kidding actually saw several people make this comment somewhere).

 

[2A_Tom]

Apologies if this has been addressed already, I confess I did not read all 193 pages of posts.

There is a general feeling among some gun owners that if there are people that don't agree with gun ownership, then they should not own guns. They should not push their beliefs on us. Disregard that the 2nd Amendment makes gun ownership a right, just look at the idea that we should be left alone and respect the decisions of others.

If that is the case, why does it raise such strong emotions when someone discusses OC vs CC? Shouldn't each side leave the other alone and respect the decisions of others?

Not intending to stir the pot. Just curious why human nature seems to compel people to force conformity on others.

That is not the reason for this thread.

It is to stir discussion, not contention.

There is a large segment of INGO that belong to the JCR, JUST CARRY RESPONSIBLY crowd.

You will notice that most of the contention comes from the CC crowd.

When they pop in they will usually be asked, "Did you read the OP?"

The OP contains a very well written article describing the plusses of OC.

CCers are often asked to cite articles that prove their points, first shot, taken away and such.

The problem is that all of the Media sources seem to cover up those citations because they are pro OC.

 

[2A_Tom]

But do you know the reverse?

This thread has had a few.

 

[ChazL]

With the coming political environment of top Dems calling for “lists of Trump supporters” and increased gun control along with encouragement of “neighbor watching neighbor” (ie snitches), I wonder if the OC/CC considerations will shift. OC might make one be singled out not only for a go/no go decision on a robbers part, but also for a political motivation. I can foresee some triggered (no pun intended) anti-gun nut being more of a problem that any potential thief.