Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

[oze]

pretty sure, a case could be made for just about any of the major players

Not Russia. They're the best.

 

[Kdf101]

Not Russia. They're the best.

My money is on Switzerland. Nobody would see it coming, nobody would believe they did it, and it would give their bored special ops troops something to do. Those guys get bored with never fighting a war!

 

[smokingman]

My money is on Switzerland. Nobody would see it coming, nobody would believe they did it, and it would give their bored special ops troops something to do. Those guys get bored with never fighting a war!

Na, we might believe they did it to ascend into NATO.

Now the French....

 

[BugI02]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/11/12/david_sacks_the_truth_has_broken_out_that_ukraine_is_not_winning.html

 

[asevans]

Didn’t the INGO mafia already decide it was the USA that blew up the pipeline? Ukraine pfft…

Putin said it was the Anglo Saxsons.
But hey. I would believe our great leader over the president of evil russia.

 

[Leadeye]

pretty sure, a case could be made for just about any of the major players

Not like you find many entries for UDT in the phone book.

 

[Ark]

Didn’t the INGO mafia already decide it was the USA that blew up the pipeline? Ukraine pfft…

Ukraine is the fall guy for when the "Putin did it" narrative fell apart.

 

[actaeon277]

Not like you find many entries for UDT in the phone book.

Well....

 

[Wolfhound]

Putin said it was the Anglo Saxsons.
But hey. I would believe our great leader over the president of evil russia.

No, no, just no. Putin is a great guy.

I think maybe all world leaders are hopelessly corrupt.

 

[smokingman]

MSM Admits "Magical Thinking" Guided Its Reporting On Ukraine... Many Thousands Of Deaths Later | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[DadSmith]

Kyiv Issues Hasty Denial After Russia Claims Defection of Ukrainian Flight Commander

One report out of Russia, could mean major news in the Russia-Ukraine war if true, but Kyiv is denying the claims of its enemy.

www.westernjournal.com

 

[smokingman]

Kyiv Issues Hasty Denial After Russia Claims Defection of Ukrainian Flight Commander

One report out of Russia, could mean major news in the Russia-Ukraine war if true, but Kyiv is denying the claims of its enemy.

www.westernjournal.com

The most shocking thing about that article is not even the topic or rather it is true or not. It is the narrative change. No longer a war, not even an invasion...."As the border conflict between Ukraine and Russia escalates"

That to me says more about what is happening than the article itself.

 

[DadSmith]

The most shocking thing about that article is not even the topic or rather it is true or not. It is the narrative change. No longer a war, not even an invasion...."As the border conflict between Ukraine and Russia escalates"

That to me says more about what is happening than the article itself.

Good point.


Also the fact no one knows if it actually happened. It's basically he said, she said ordeal.
If Russia does have a defector put up proof.

 

[smokingman]

The official X account of the US Mission to NATO wrote Monday, "In this tough and dynamic battle, Ukraine’s soldiers are fighting bravely every single day, and they continue to inspire the world with their bravery and courage."


"We will continue to support them to be in the strongest possible position at the negotiating table when the time comes," the statement said.

US Mission To NATO Signals Zelensky Must Sit At "Negotiating Table" | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

...well that was 100 billion+ spent well.

 

[Brad69]

Looks like this thing is grinding to the end.

The west is running low on equipment to give, and Ukraine is running out of Soldiers.

How long do we keep paying Ukrainians bills?

 

[Kdf101]

The end is Russia will keep crimea and whatever land in ukraine they occupy. Ukraine will be a basket case for generations because of the huge number of lives lost. Russia will recover quickly, it is what they do. Europe will have to bear the burden of refugees from ukraine and further Russian aggression. Europe and the EU, will have to put on their big boy pants and fund their own defense.

 

[smokingman]

The end is Russia will keep crimea and whatever land in ukraine they occupy. Ukraine will be a basket case for generations because of the huge number of lives lost. Russia will recover quickly, it is what they do. Europe will have to bear the burden of refugees from ukraine and further Russian aggression. Europe and the EU, will have to put on their big boy pants and fund their own defense.

The EU that did not even allow a single male to run for EU president in 2022? That even replaced the then president with a temporary female president during the elections?
You sure about the boy part?

The EU is in a tailspin largely due to their own policies. They would have riots if defense spending went up vs hand outs.

 

[Kdf101]

The EU that did not even allow a single male to run for EU president in 2022? That even replaced the then president with a temporary female president during the elections?
You sure about the boy part?

The EU is in a tailspin largely do to their own policies. They would have riots if defense spending went up vs hand outs.

I do not disagree with that, I think so too. I also don’t care. Of all the regions of the earth, Europe should be more than capable of defending themselves. If they don’t, well then I guess they get what they deserve. Falls squarely into the not my problem bucket as far as I am concerned.

 

[smokingman]

I do not disagree with that, I think so too. I also don’t care. Of all the regions of the earth, Europe should be more than capable of defending themselves. If they don’t, well then I guess they get what they deserve. Falls squarely into the not my problem bucket as far as I am concerned.

Also yesterday.

Germany freezes new spending commitments as budget woes deepen

The German government has imposed a freeze on most new spending commitments in what officials on Tuesday said was a necessary step as Chancellor Olaf Scholz's coalition struggled to find a way out of a deepening budget crisis.

www.reuters.com

 

[ljk]

Also yesterday.

Germany freezes new spending commitments as budget woes deepen

The German government has imposed a freeze on most new spending commitments in what officials on Tuesday said was a necessary step as Chancellor Olaf Scholz's coalition struggled to find a way out of a deepening budget crisis.

www.reuters.com

Are you saying the Germans can't just print money like us?