Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

[JettaKnight]

Fairly certain that tweet account just made that up. I see nothing anywhere that anyone stated China would arm Russia and certainly do not see anything officially anounced.

How could you not trust an anonymous Twitter account called Terror Alarm?

 

[BigRed]

Keep that money train rolling.
-Ben Dover, American Taxpayer.

 

[smokingman]

Interesting article. Yes, it is New Yorker magazine, but the article is an interview with a historian who works at the Hoover Institution. There is a pay-wall if you have read too many free articles, but I was able to read it.

I don't think he really comes to a genuine answer to the question, but it is at least a discussion of the questions that need to be asked.

How the War in Ukraine Ends

An eminent historian envisions a settlement among Russia, Ukraine, and the West.

www.newyorker.com

He does fail on a few fronts. He glosses over the maiden(nuland USAID) revolution as a popular uprising to over throw an elected president as some Ukrainian's wanting to join the EU.

He sees Putin as a Stalin figure,when he is the most popular president Russia has ever had(and that is by western polls). Is he any more brutal as a war time president than Bush was? Probably,yes but he and Russian's in general see this as a fight for their existance. Something few in the west seem to understand. There is a long history of EU countries and Russia going back hundreds of years, also not talked about(Kiev being the former capitol of Russia for one).

Fails to talk at all about the west and many of our leader talking about wanting to destroy the Russian currency,military,and open calls to break up the country. That may not play over and over on western media,but it certainly does in other parts of the world(like India were around 80% are currently in support of Russia).

Fails to mention the Minsk accords,which western leaders including German and French have both stated was a ruse,a lie to buy Ukraine time(with the idea they could militarily take the seperatist regions,without Russia interfering. Which is were things were headed when Russia stepped in.).

Former German Chancellor Merkel admits the Minsk agreement was merely to buy time for Ukraine’s arms build-up

Merkel’s recent interview with <em>Die Zeit</em> confirms the view of the WSWS that NATO has wanted war from the start but needed time for its military preparations.

www.wsws.org

He is certainly for them joining the EU and NATO,but does not mention much of the EU and certainly NATO does not want that. There is a reason they were not already in either,and the main one is corruption.

At least he did not mention democracy,because Ukraine has not been one since Maiden with most political parties being outlawed and half of "house/senate" members either dead or disapeared shortly after maiden.

Western memories seem to be short,that is not the case everywhere.

 

[oze]

He does fail on a few fronts. He glosses over the maiden(nuland USAID) revolution as a popular uprising to over throw an elected president as some Ukrainian's wanting to join the EU.

He sees Putin as a Stalin figure,when he is the most popular president Russia has ever had(and that is by western polls). Is he any more brutal as a war time president than Bush was? Probably,yes but he and Russian's in general see this as a fight for their existance. Something few in the west seem to understand. There is a long history of EU countries and Russia going back hundreds of years, also not talked about(Kiev being the former capitol of Russia for one).

Fails to talk at all about the west and many of our leader talking about wanting to destroy the Russian currency,military,and open calls to break up the country. That may not play over and over on western media,but it certainly does in other parts of the world(like India were around 80% are currently in support of Russia).

Fails to mention the Minsk accords,which western leaders including German and French have both stated was a ruse,a lie to buy Ukraine time(with the idea they could militarily take the seperatist regions,without Russia interfering. Which is were things were headed when Russia stepped in.).

Former German Chancellor Merkel admits the Minsk agreement was merely to buy time for Ukraine’s arms build-up

Merkel’s recent interview with <em>Die Zeit</em> confirms the view of the WSWS that NATO has wanted war from the start but needed time for its military preparations.

www.wsws.org

He is certainly for them joining the EU and NATO,but does not mention much of the EU and certainly NATO does not want that. There is a reason they were not already in either,and the main one is corruption.

At least he did not mention democracy,because Ukraine has not been one since Maiden with most political parties being outlawed and half of "house/senate" members either dead or disapeared shortly after maiden.

Western memories seem to be short,that is not the case everywhere.

Quick, without looking it up, what do you guts think "wsws" stands for? Where is that eye roll emoji?

 

[smokingman]

Quick, without looking it up, what do you guts think "wsws" stands for? Where is that eye roll emoji?

The third most popular political party in the EU lol. One currently trying a revolution in France.

 

[Wolfhound]

Quick, without looking it up, what do you guts think "wsws" stands for? Where is that eye roll emoji?

Western Statist Wanker Squad?

Edit: ok, after looking it up I think I was really close.

 

[oze]

The third most popular political party in the EU lol. One currently trying a revolution in France.

Light bulb over my head moment. Now I get it.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

Death Valley days straight ahead.

Russia's Putin blasts UK move to send ammo with depleted uranium to Ukraine

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday condemned British plans to send tank ammunition that contains depleted uranium to Ukraine, saying Moscow would be forced to respond accordingly.

www.reuters.com

 

[Wolfhound]

Light bulb over my head moment. Now I get it.

I think smoking man knows way too much about the markets to be a socialist. He just comes up with some really odd sources sometimes.

 

[smokingman]

I think smoking man knows way too much about the markets to be a socialist. He just comes up with some really odd sources sometimes.

I do not think to many could read it in German. She did say it though.
100% Support the constitution. Fractional reserve lending not so much,though I have benefited from it.

 

[smokingman]

Our government at work,at the UN.

"President Biden has made LGBTQI+ human rights a foreign policy priority. Shortly after taking office, he issued a presidential memorandum which directed all U.S. foreign affairs agencies to ensure that our diplomacy and foreign assistance programming promote and protect the human rights of LGBTQI+ persons globally. And of course, that includes our various Missions to the United Nations.

Q: I’m curious to know about how the war in Ukraine will affect this meeting or decisions will arise about this given Russia’s kind of hardening stance when it comes to LGBTQ rights, and kind of this movement in Ukraine when it comes to LGBT rights kind of progressing

A: I think it’s impossible to have a conversation about the vulnerabilities of LGBTQI people without looking at what’s been happening in Ukraine."

https://usun.usmission.gov/remarks-by-senior-administration-officials-at-a-background-briefing-on-integrating-the-human-rights-of-lgbti-persons-into-the-work-of-the-un-security/

 

[DadSmith]

I was envisioning a Reaper (or two) patrolling international waters with a Reaper (or two) flying CAP in case Ivan the hot shot Russkie pilot shows up in his ****** old-fashioned Su-27 and decides to **** around with an unarmed drone. Just sayin'.

I wonder what kind of air to ship missiles we have now? Are they still the same as 30 years ago?

 

[actaeon277]

I wonder what kind of air to ship missiles we have now? Are they still the same as 30 years ago?

Many of the same names, but updated.
Just like the MK 48 torpedoes we use now are not even near the same as the MK 48 torps from my day.
Same with air to air missiles. Keep the name, basic shape and some of the theory of operation, but update everything.

 

[SEIndSAM]

 

[BigMoose]

Well we have joked about it, kidded about it... but it has happened.

Russia is digging even deeper, and stored T-54 tanks have been drug from storage.


Rumor is they will be used to free other tanks up by being used as training Vehicles.

 

[nra4ever]

 

[BigMoose]

Ohh… that thing…

a big arse boondodgle. But it usually is sent near Korea, when it’s not spending most of its time in pearl getting fixed. By pumping money into Boeing..

 

[BigMoose]

 

[SEIndSAM]

 

[Route 45]