GOP rep introduces nationwide concealed carry reciprocity

[MCgrease08]

Bill just passed the House with 6 democrats defecting.

Huzzah.

I know it's just one step, but it moves things in the right direction. Time to get on top of Donnelly.

 

[2A_Tom]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1843059172384905&id=452480994776070
Bad news on reciprocity bill getting jammed with the Fix-NICS bill

http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20171204/BILLS-115HR38-RCP115-45.pdf

Since work and life has being going SWIMMINGLY (as I say that wearing CONCRETE SHOES) - and keeping me so busy
did the FIX-NICS junk bill get ammended to the house HR 38? I'm too far under to be tracking like I usually do. I barely got a single letter off w/ great generalizations.

Thanks.

That was my understanding, but I am not absolutely certain.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Huzzah.

I know it's just one step, but it moves things in the right direction. Time to get on top of Donnelly.

See post #125. Bail-Out Joe took a whole page to say nothing.

Edit: Is it time to (borrowing a line from Admiral Akbar) "Concentrate all fire on Donnelly"?? We need to flip a number of "D"s, does Joe think he can get re-elected with a no vote?

 

[KellyinAvon]

I read it. I didn't see anything to make me run screaming into the woods.


https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/text?format=txt

 

[JAL]

I anticipate there will be some amendments to the NICS Fix piece of it to entice enough D's to vote for it. If it passes the Senate with amendments there will be a joint committee to try to work out the differences. At the least the House would have to have another floor vote and if the joint committee changes anything, the Senate would also require another floor vote.

This will take a while.


John

 

[Ruffnek]

Did I read correctly that it opens up ACOE properties to carry? It sure would be nice to go when people wanna hang out at Lake Monroe.

 

[2A_Tom]

That is what it says!

It also classifies a magazine as a firearm, I find that strange and wonder where it could be twisted.

Thirdly it tells theAttorney general to consider bump stocks

 

[Thor]

.

 

[Ruffnek]

That is what it says!

It also classifies a magazine as a firearm, I find that strange and wonder where it could be twisted.

Thirdly it tells theAttorney general to consider bump stocks

I think it could be twisted in places like Jersey that have magazine limits.

 

[K_W]

I think it could be twisted in places like Jersey that have magazine limits.

Worse... If this sets precedent that magazines are firearms, we could be soon be seeing background checks for magazine purchases.

 

[Taylor22]

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[Ash]

Worse... If this sets precedent that magazines are firearms, we could be soon be seeing background checks for magazine purchases.

Exactly my thoughts on this.


Something cannot be, that is not. This is just pure BS.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I read it. I didn't see anything to make me run screaming into the woods.


https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/text?format=txt

Sounds like OC is not protected...And it doesnt define what concealed means (unless I missed it)...We know the shenanigans that be played around what is and is not a "concealed firearm".

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

That is what it says!

It also classifies a magazine as a firearm, I find that strange and wonder where it could be twisted.

Thirdly it tells theAttorney general to consider bump stocks

I read that as a way of asserting the magazine is a part of the gun this bill is saying you must allow to be carried...ie, they might have to let you carry the gun but thet dont have to let you carry it loaded.

 

[Viper1973]

The reason for the magazine definition is to prevent states from being able to arrest folks with 17 round magazines in states that limit to 10 rounds. It basically says ANY firearm from any state can be carried in any other state as long as you're licensed to carry in a state that issues licenses.

I think it was brilliant to basically make everyone legal in CA, NY, MA and all of the communist states.

By attaching it to Fix NICs it makes it very difficult for Democrats to vote against it since they're the arbiters of gun safety.

I have no problem with them forcing states to load established disqualifying data into NICs for those that don't deserve the privilege of carrying. They've also added a process where folks can contest NICs data and have redress for errors in the system.

Donnelly is the one we need to lower the hammer on. I've already emailed his office and told him a no vote on this bill is a no vote by me on him during the election. We need to use the momentum this bill has and jam it through.

If I was McConnell, I'd blow up the senate rules and pass it and every other bill they could with the 51 and be done with it. If congress worked for the people and got stuff done, Democrats would never be in power ever again.

 

[KellyinAvon]

That is what it says!

It also classifies a magazine as a firearm, I find that strange and wonder where it could be twisted.

Thirdly it tells theAttorney general to consider bump stocks

I dig your concerns BF, but if you copy/paste it into the bottom (as numbered sub-sub paragraphs) of subparagraph (a) of Section 926D the magazines reference is subordinate to " ...[FONT=&quot]may [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]possess or carry a concealed handgun ". [/FONT]This is designed to prevent a magazine or ammo ban as an end-around on this law. Or at least that's how I read it.

 

[JAL]

I dig your concerns BF, but if you copy/paste it into the bottom (as numbered sub-sub paragraphs) of subparagraph (a) of Section 926D the magazines reference is subordinate to " ...[FONT=&amp]may [/FONT] [FONT=&amp]possess or carry a concealed handgun ". [/FONT]This is designed to prevent a magazine or ammo ban as an end-around on this law. Or at least that's how I read it.

I would anticipate every jurisdiction that is butt hurt by reciprocity if it becomes law to go after it with a fine tooth comb to find something inventive they can do to effectively neuter it to make it impossible to legally carry a concealed handgun that's usable. If there's a hole that some highly imaginative jurisdiction manages to exploit, watch the dogpile on it begin, and Congress will take forever to fix it because revisiting prior legislation to amend it is loathsome.

John

 

[KellyinAvon]

I would anticipate every jurisdiction that is butt hurt by reciprocity if it becomes law to go after it with a fine tooth comb to find something inventive they can do to effectively neuter it to make it impossible to legally carry a concealed handgun that's usable. If there's a hole that some highly imaginative jurisdiction manages to exploit, watch the dogpile on it begin, and Congress will take forever to fix it because revisiting prior legislation to amend it is loathsome.

John

Based on past behavior I'd say that's the definition of a sure-thing. In these utopias they've long since solved all the first-world problems like drug gangs and murderous thugs roaming freely.

 

[kawtech87]

I have no problem with them forcing states to load established disqualifying data into NICs for those that don't deserve the privilege of carrying. They've also added a process where folks can contest NICs data and have redress for errors in the system..

Driving on government owned roadways is a privilege. Carrying is a right. The only people who should be disqualified are those convicted of felonies or equivalent (i.e. dishonorable discharge) and domestic abuse.

 

[MarkC]

I would anticipate every jurisdiction that is butt hurt by reciprocity if it becomes law to go after it with a fine tooth comb to find something inventive they can do to effectively neuter it to make it impossible to legally carry a concealed handgun that's usable. If there's a hole that some highly imaginative jurisdiction manages to exploit, watch the dogpile on it begin, and Congress will take forever to fix it because revisiting prior legislation to amend it is loathsome.

John

This is true. For example, New Jersey, despite the plain language of the LEOSA, has "interpreted" the federal law permitting the carry of hollow point ammunition to apply to active law enforcement officers only.