Elon Musk Becomes Twitter’s Largest Shareholder…

[DadSmith]

You, we, just don’t have the vocal chords for the reach.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m with you, I pay no attention to it, but know many that do, and depend on it, like they depend on Jon Stewart, the daily show, et.al.

So I’m stuck between not caring about them, probably like you, but also trying to re-influence those that do use it, probably also like you.

A person will not change their beliefs or behavior unless they want to themselves.
So you go after those who are actually looking for something better and lead them to it. It's a waste of time trying to convince or lead people who do not want to change.

 

[jamil]

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Everyone has an opinion. Even wrong ones.

 

[Ingomike]

And we can say fake account means fake news.

It doesn’t matter what we think or even know with certainty. The majority of dems believe Trump was involved in Russian collusion and have no idea what has come out in the Susseman trial. They control the narrative being given to the sheeple that narrative in their reality. There are still millions of users there even with the bot accounts.

 

[DadSmith]

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Unfortunately for him there is the constitution that says differently.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Sure, everyone has gotten more radical.
Well, not us of course. Not us. But everyone else.
While I was only a previously un-aborted gleam in my fathers eye at the time, I probably could have understood where JFK was coming from. But these people now? No way. Left field.

I probably have gotten more radical over the years. More radical in favor of limited government, liberty, and in my faith.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Yes. I get the feeling Elon’s

Everyone has an opinion. Even wrong ones.

attracted a bunch of new conservative followers lately. My main reason for posting that was for brake tapping.

 

[jamil]

You, we, just don’t have the vocal chords for the reach.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m with you, I pay no attention to it, but know many that do, and depend on it, like they depend on Jon Stewart, the daily show, et.al.

So I’m stuck between not caring about them, probably like you, but also trying to re-influence those that do use it, probably also like you.

Kinda crossing threads now, but the person I mentioned talking about politics that got triggered, used an argument Trevor Noah made when we talked about abortion. Something like, oh, it's a State's issue to decide. But within the state, are all these counties. We should let them decide. Oh, but wait. Within the counties are...individuals. Maybe we should let individuals decide.

And of course that sounds like a good argument on the surface. In fact in terms of law I think it is up to an individual at some point, but beyond which, I think it's immoral. I think we should base our laws on consensus. That's the theory behind Overton's Window. 1st trimester seems to be the closest consensus.

But what Trevor Noah gets wrong is that it's not just a personal moral choice about abortion. It's really about the rights of the unborn. Whether or not to uphold rights is not a matter of individual preference. Everyone has a right to due process. Everyone has equal rights under the law. We don't leave it up to individual choice for other rights. It's not like one white person gets to think that the black person has a right to a seat in the front of the bus but then another white person can choose to deny that right. Either it's a right that is equal to everyone or it's not a right.

So either a child in the womb, at some point, has a right to life, or not. Rights have to be recognized by government in a free society. So if we can't agree on a national policy, then our federated system of states should decide. And at some point the idea of federalism breaks down to a point of anarchy. If we decided everything at the individual level we have no basis for law. I don't think Trevor Noah would make the same argument about the right to bear arms.

In fact, when that person brought up Trevor Noah's bit, I should have said, okay, now do gun rights.

 

[bwframe]

I’m sure he is.
Let’s educate him.
I’d be happy to talk to him but I don’t have his number. Anyone?

I'll give Amber a call and see if she has it...


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[jamil]

Yes. I get the feeling Elon’s

attracted a bunch of new conservative followers lately. My main reason for posting that was for brake tapping.

I admire Musk for his accomplishments and his apparent willingness to come under fire for his beliefs about free speech. And for proclaiming that he's no longer voting for Democrats. I can see why that attracts people on the right. We'll see how far that goes though. But I'm under no delusions about his politics. He strikes me as a 1990's liberal in a post 2020 world.

I think someone should take him shooting though.

 

[jamil]

I probably have gotten more radical over the years. More radical in favor of limited government, liberty, and in my faith.

the way I tell people on the left who believe the right has moved to the fringe right, well first, I mention that no one but maybe the fringe left, was arguing that men can get pregnant 10 years ago. But look at us now!

And they shouldn't mistake digging our footing more firmly to protect our rights, as moving further to the right. If anything I have gotten more libertarian about rights, which is actually neither right nor left. I've gotten more serious about wanting to protect them. That doesn't mean I've moved where I am on the political spectrum to the right.

 

[jamil]

A person will not change their beliefs or behavior unless they want to themselves.
So you go after those who are actually looking for something better and lead them to it. It's a waste of time trying to convince or lead people who do not want to change.

I don't think that's true. No one ever WANTS to change their beliefs. Behavior is a bit different. But we instinctively protect what we believe deeply. All their reasoning goes towards fighting off new information that puts current, strongly held beliefs in doubt, unless the person trusts the new information. Advertisers are masters at this game.

You're way more likely to change a deeply held belief if you trust the person challenging your current belief. And by trust, I mean you'd change your mind with a convincing or enticing argument from someone who you think is on your side, or is at least not against you. If you think it's an enemy, you put your shields up.

But it also depends on the quality of information/argument and the degree of trust, even how open you are to new ideas. So four factors, the deepness of the belief, the quality of the information, the degree of trust, and your openness to new ideas.

 

[MCgrease08]

A person will not change their beliefs or behavior unless they want to themselves.
So you go after those who are actually looking for something better and lead them to it. It's a waste of time trying to convince or lead people who do not want to change.

Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still.

 

[DadSmith]

I don't think that's true. No one ever WANTS to change their beliefs. Behavior is a bit different. But we instinctively protect what we believe deeply. All their reasoning goes towards fighting off new information that puts current, strongly held beliefs in doubt, unless the person trusts the new information. Advertisers are masters at this game.

You're way more likely to change a deeply held belief if you trust the person challenging your current belief. And by trust, I mean you'd change your mind with a convincing or enticing argument from someone who you think is on your side, or is at least not against you. If you think it's an enemy, you put your shields up.

But it also depends on the quality of information/argument and the degree of trust, even how open you are to new ideas. So four factors, the deepness of the belief, the quality of the information, the degree of trust, and your openness to new ideas.

I know from personal life experience dealing with alcoholics and druggies about changing their behavior, I know also from personal experience dealing with socialists and one communist they will not change their beliefs unless they choose too.
Many friends and family that were anti gun are now gun owners and voting republican or libertarian now because they choose to on their own after seeing the lawlessness the Democrat party loves.

People only change if they desire to do so and will not until then and it's a complete waste of time to try until they show they want to change.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Because they truly do influence? So many get ‘the news’ from there that we kinda have to care. The left will use the data and say things like “most votes ever” and the sheep will follow.

I have been assured that Twitter is a reliable news source by @Ingomike . I'm sure he wouldn't lead me astray.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[DoggyDaddy]

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I'd like to take Elon shooting sometime. Seriously. I like the dude most of the time, but I think he's just uninformed about firearms. I'd like the chance to explain to him that a Marlin Model 60 or any other semi-auto rifle really isn't so different from an AR-15 in function. He might be open-minded enough to change his opinion.

 

[ditcherman]

I'd like to take Elon shooting sometime. Seriously. I like the dude most of the time, but I think he's just uninformed about firearms. I'd like the chance to explain to him that a Marlin Model 60 or any other semi-auto rifle really isn't so different from an AR-15 in function. He might be open-minded enough to change his opinion.

I wonder how fun it would be to have Elon and Joe Rogan shooting and maybe having the light bulbs come on?

 

[MCgrease08]

I wonder how fun it would be to have Elon and Joe Rogan shooting and maybe having the light bulbs come on?

Let me know when you get them lined up to come to your place. I'll bring the brats and we can use Elon's flame thrower to burn the mannequins stashed in the barn.

 

[Ingomike]

I have been assured that Twitter is a reliable news source by @Ingomike . I'm sure he wouldn't lead me astray.

You can get news there, but just like WP, you can get lies…

 

[jamil]

I know from personal life experience dealing with alcoholics and druggies about changing their behavior, I know also from personal experience dealing with socialists and one communist they will not change their beliefs unless they choose too.
Many friends and family that were anti gun are now gun owners and voting republican or libertarian now because they choose to on their own after seeing the lawlessness the Democrat party loves.

People only change if they desire to do so and will not until then and it's a complete waste of time to try until they show they want to change.

Sure, but what makes them choose to?

Sometimes reality crashes their world in an undeniable way.

Or someone they trust presents information that they accept. It’s not a guarantee. It’s a prerequisite though.