Another Buyer Beware Do Not Become a Victim Like Me.

[drillsgt]

There was this 586 on Armslist for 500.00 but if you cut and paste the description it's a match for an older sold listing on Guns International, same photos as well.

https://www.armslist.com/posts/1201...handguns-for-sale---smith---wesson-model-586#


https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...m--cal---357-magnum-sold.cfm?gun_id=101436652

 

[STEEL CORE]

Just bought a Glock-19 gen 3 off GB yesterday and paid by PMO, I get hosed, I will let you all know.

 

[Winamac]

Just bought a Glock-19 gen 3 off GB yesterday and paid by PMO, I get hosed, I will let you all know.

I have bought and sold on GB for years. NEVER had any problems. You should be good to go.

 

[BrettonJudy7]

I've had zero issues with Gunbroker sales. However, I have noticed some that could have been scams. I've always just had the mentality going into a Gunbroker deal that it could turn sour.

That being said, I haven't used Gunrboker in a few years though because of that specific reason. I am not willing to take on the anxiety and stress of feeling like I may or may not get taken advantage of. I do still have the Gunbroker app on my phone though... Does that make it more valuable?

 

[purdue98]

Truly sorry to hear this story. I have used Indiana Armslist (Lafayette) to sell 5 different weapons and never an issue. That doesn't say I didn't take precautions (had them show me their Indiana Carry Permit), met during daylight hours at a location I was secure at.
I actually have a VEPR rifle up for sale on there now but truly, your words have wisdom. Caution only takes you so far. God Bless.

 

[POB]

Did some business with Charles Manson's twin brother one time. We were to meet at a local gun shop. I thought ok everything will be cool that was until I got there and the store was closed and so was everything else. It was me , him and a few birds, but turned out to be a good transaction. I have done many transactions on Armslist without a problem one. I guess I was lucky.

 

[venenoindy]

Just bought a Glock-19 gen 3 off GB yesterday and paid by PMO, I get hosed, I will let you all know.

I purchased on GB but when it says money order or certified check I stay away, with a credit card payment you can do something about it. I sold other items and if paid with a check I did hold the shipping until check totally clears but won't do it again as it took a long time, on armslist I ask to meet at local PD early in the interaction and it works like a charm. Most shady people stop responding after that.

 

[Tanfodude]

In her e-mails to me prior to payment she used Lorraine Hall. Then on Cash App (payment method) she went by Carol Kibbe. Her e-mail used during our correspondence prior to me agreeing to buy was [FONT=&quot]gundeals0090@gmail.com It is also the e-mail used on Armslist.[/FONT]

That, right there is a flag for me.

 

[Redhorse]

Yeah I had some guy even use some Ohio gun shop’s FFL license without their permission to try and scam $800 out of me. That’s when I quit using Armslist. It’s crap now.

 

[thompal]

This showed up in my inbox recently, very strange

How are people with 0 posts managing to send private messages?

 

[churchmouse]

How are people with 0 posts managing to send private messages?

"X" site supporters (a few) that fail to renew seem to have slipped through a crack in the system. Some of the site just did not make the journey to the new server.
We pop them whenever we see them. Some renew and carry on. Some go antifa ballistic on us.

If you see this please report it and do not deal with them.

 

[climber1218]

Gunbroker says that they have a $500 fraud protection guarantee. I've had zero problems with GB, but I've only purchased one shotgun from an individual...everything else was from a gun store and I paid with credit card!

 

[Sheltie]

Im sorry to hear about this. Fraud is one of those things you're aware of but you think your safe, which is what is so frustrating. I was scammed on Ebay recently and it took a great deal of effort to get it resolved. I was sold a counterfeit knife.

I went to Michigan last weekend and used my debit card to buy fuel, now I have several charges to my account all over the country for things I have not purchased. Called the Fraud line yesterday, that went to the Philippines. It sounded like they were talking through a can and I could not hear them well, coupled with their accent , frustrating to say the least.

It seems like this fraud thing is normal business now. It's not shocking until it happens to you.

 

[Winamac]

I just want to put this out to you all and pass along to friends and acquaintances. I cannot be anymore serious about this than I am.I'm embarrassed to admit this,but if it saves someone else it is worth the embarrassment. I just got scammed for $1070.00 on ArmsList 3-days ago. If you think it cannot happen to you...you are WRONG.I have been doing on-line gun deals on GB for 20 years. Thought I could spot a scammer a mile away. This was my first experience EVER buying on ArmsList and it will be my last. The women/thief/scum-bag was from New Jersey (so they said).Everything she presented(ID etc...) appeared super legitimate and the price of the rifle as not super low or anything to send up a red flag. I have alerted ArmsList but they will and can do nothing. Just wanted to pass this along. STAY AWAY FROM ARMSLIST!!!!! Don't care what they have. Get it somewhere else.

UPDATE! I contacted my local Sheriff's Dep(this past Thursday AM)t just to see what if anything could be done? The investigator told me they can take my information, but most likely very little will come of it. He did however send a Deputy out to my place to take my statement and look at what information that I had on the scammer/ dirt-bag. The officer came and reviewed and took what information I had. To include e-mails, text numbers, e-mail which she sent that contained a picture of her New Jersey I.D Card (which I figured later on was fake anyway). The officer then said. "Okay I am going out to the car, I will be back in a little while". About 20 minutes later he came back into the house and said "come out to the car, I have her on the phone" I about fell out of my chair as I had tried in vain for a week to get her. He did it in 20 minutes. Anyway, I got in the car and he had her on speaker. Now he had talked to her previous to bringing me in. He introduced me to her on the phone/computer. I stated my case to her. She denied that it was ever her.She claimed some guy (by name) had brought her into this? She did admit that the ID that was sent was hers, but claimed she never sent it? The officer told her. be that is it may, her name is all over this scam. Then he started talking to her about federal prison time for a scam like this and what she might expect, unless I either received the rifle or my $1070.00 back. After he said that she started singing like a canary. Dropping names and such. She still maintained that she didn't do it but was working with a other person who ran things. The officer then asked when I would get my money back? She said she did not have the money, but could make payments starting next Friday as that is when her unemployment check arrives as he indicated she cannot work because of Covid -19? This is the short version of what took place, but that officer(through questions and answers) had her contradicting herself through the whole conversation with he and I. Bottom line is I am to start relieving payments(postal money orders) as of this next Friday. Will I? Even the officer said no guarantees, but at least we planted the seed. This woman was as guilty as the day is long. So...we will see what turns up.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Hope you get all your money back. And I'm very glad the police worked with you and followed up!

 

[Winamac]

UPDATE!!!!!!!!! UPDATE!!!!!!!! This past Monday (13 July 20). In the US mail I received a postal money order from my scammer/dirt bag. It was for the payment amount that was agreed upon by the Cass County Sheriff Deputy, myself and the scammer/dirt bag that she would pay me every two weeks until paid in full. Hey... its a start. Only 1K to go. The deputy nor I expected to see anything. I guess his talk with her about Federal charges and Federal prison must have had some effect on her. Anyway, just giving a update. OH... and Armslist FINALLY sent out a warning(via e-mail) about her add on Armslist being a scam. Apparently some others must have fallen victim as well?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Glad to hear you've at least gotten part of your money back! Hopefully she follows through with the rest.

 

[citizenkane]

I’m amazed you got anything back to be honest.

She is most likely a scam victim as well in a sense.
They work these scams on multiple people at once.

You get scammed thinking you are buying a rifle from someone and send payment. They get scammed by thinking they have met their “soul mate” online. Their soulmate needs their help. They need them to cash this money order and forward them the money. Their “soulmate” is of course just a scammer using them to cash the money orders and forward the money to them wherever they are in the world.

That’s my understanding of how they work this. The actual scammer is almost certainly in a foreign county. You send the money to someone who is more or less a patsy. They should of course be suspicious why people are sending them this money, don’t think I’m excusing their role in this.

 

[Expat]

Hopefully it works out, glad you at least got something.

 

[Winamac]

I’m amazed you got anything back to be honest.

She is most likely a scam victim as well in a sense.
They work these scams on multiple people at once.

You get scammed thinking you are buying a rifle from someone and send payment. They get scammed by thinking they have met their “soul mate” online. Their soulmate needs their help. They need them to cash this money order and forward them the money. Their “soulmate” is of course just a scammer using them to cash the money orders and forward the money to them wherever they are in the world.

That’s my understanding of how they work this. The actual scammer is almost certainly in a foreign county. You send the money to someone who is more or less a patsy. They should of course be suspicious why people are sending them this money, don’t think I’m excusing their role in this.

Your description is exactly how the Sheriffs Deputy explained it to me. During the Deputy's questioning of her. She mentioned she had met this guy on line and he was in Dubai stationed in the US Army. So there is the foreign country connection. The deputy basically told her it appears she may also be the victim of a scam through this person. Unfortunately, he told her her "soul mate" (as you say) has left her holding the bag and now she owes me either the rifle or $1070.00 or possibly face Federal charges. That really "perked" her up and she suddenly became willing to make payments. Hopefully she continues to follow through.