-
Be sure to read this post! Beware of scammers. https://www.indianagunowners.com/threads/classifieds-new-online-payment-guidelines-rules-paypal-venmo-zelle-etc.511734/
The Real Costs of Electric Car Ownership - CNET
- Thread starter bwframe
- Start date
The #1 community for Gun Owners in Indiana
Member Benefits:
Fewer Ads! Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership Discuss anti-gun legislation Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses Discover free outdoor shooting areas View up to date on firearm-related events Share photos & video with other members ...and so much more!
Member Benefits:
The big question about electric cars is what market do they serve best today and in the close future. I see electric transportation going too many different directions chasing ideology and subsidies rather than selling something people can use now. It's caused the whole idea to lose focus and drift away from the idea of making money while giving value to the customer.
Much of this stuff needs to be decoupled from the big green energy scam if we are ever going to make it really work, but then that begs the whole question.
It is probably enough to get him to about 80% charge. Getting from 10 to 80 is pretty quick. It slows down after that.
Well, the charge rate is determined by the difference between the source, and the load.
So... the closer they get together... the slower they go.
So... the closer they get together... the slower they go.
This could be the crack in the whole industry foundation…
The Electric Car Con, Explained
The U.S. car fleet accounts for a mere 1.0% of global energy demand (5% x 19%), declining to 0.8% by 2050. So even if the U.S. shifts 100% to electric-powered cars, the maximum climate impact in 2050...
hotair.com
Some real world numbers here from a new EV owner. My wife bought a Ford Mach E December 21st. It is a AWD extended range premium model. The battery is 91kWh. I have installed a 240v outlet in our garage to charge but her work has a free charger that she will be using most of the time.
In the month of December she plugged the car in 3 times for a total of 176% of charge. That equates to about 160 kWh of power.
November bill: 364kWh $67.72
December bill: 589kWh $94.57
Another "hidden" fee that the dealer didn't tell us about but I did know about is the extra cost at the BMV. It may have been mentioned earlier in this thread but they charged an extra $220 because you aren't paying fuel tax at the pump.
Also the tax credit is a joke! You only benefit from it if you owe federal taxes, which we do not. Now I believe that is changing in 2024 but the list of eligible vehicles has been reduced by about 50%.
I am a firm believer that EV's aren't for everyone, they have their place. I don't think the government should be pushing them like they are. It just isn't realistic. My two V8 mustangs and my V8 pickup aren't going to be replaced by an EV in my lifetime.
In the month of December she plugged the car in 3 times for a total of 176% of charge. That equates to about 160 kWh of power.
November bill: 364kWh $67.72
December bill: 589kWh $94.57
Another "hidden" fee that the dealer didn't tell us about but I did know about is the extra cost at the BMV. It may have been mentioned earlier in this thread but they charged an extra $220 because you aren't paying fuel tax at the pump.
Also the tax credit is a joke! You only benefit from it if you owe federal taxes, which we do not. Now I believe that is changing in 2024 but the list of eligible vehicles has been reduced by about 50%.
I am a firm believer that EV's aren't for everyone, they have their place. I don't think the government should be pushing them like they are. It just isn't realistic. My two V8 mustangs and my V8 pickup aren't going to be replaced by an EV in my lifetime.
On chargers, are you kind of held hostage to the Ford products with that charger? I think Teslas have a different configuration, not sure about the GM/Fords/Chrylers (non-Teslas). Even if they make adaptors, can the brains talk to other batteries?
There is the NACS plug that Teslas use but almost everything else uses a J1772/CCS1 plug. Tesla has stated they will start opening up their chargers to other brands with an adapter. They are going to slowing allow this starting in February with Ford.
Ford did announce that in 2025 the F150 Lightning will come with the NACS plug.
When I was teaching, we discussed the use of EVs and I tired to explain to the kids they would probably own an EV at some point in time, but I stressed to them also do not get rid of your ICE vehicle. Urban use is ok, rural living might not be the best choice. Just my 2 cents worth.
This. Her Mach E is great for driving back and forth to work and around town. We have taken it on two short road trips. The first one was 200 mile round trip (this doesn't include any driving at the destination) and another 150 mile trip. Both times we were able to make it but I had some range anxiety. I wouldn't have any issues with that in my ICE pickup.
As to your second question which might have gotten edited out about how much it would cost if she would have charged all at home. It would be about 422kWh, with taxes and everything (if I did my math right) is about $68.70. That is for about 1000 miles of driving.
Why do you think they aren't a good choice for rural living?
Since I tend to have this view too, my response would be it’s mileage dependent. People who live in rural areas when they have to drive they drive more miles than folks who live in town. At least it’s true in our case.
Yeah, ours too. How remote are you? How often are you driving more than 200 miles in a day? The times I drove more than 100, I simply charged it when I got home. It is when you want to take a trip somewhere that it becomes an issue, or if you use your car to drive a lot of miles every day.
We’re really not all that far out compared to some. We’re about 15 minutes from Mitchell and depending on where we’re going, about 30 minutes from Bedford, Salem, and Paoli. When my wife was having to go to Bloomington every day, I think she was driving close to 100 miles/day.
The thing about EVs you have to consider your lifestyle and conform It to the limitations of the technology. We haven’t had to do that with an ICE vehicle since about 1910. As long as I can afford to keep the tank full, distance nor number of trips nor their frequency really is something I have to be wary of. Plus, if I do have to refuel, it’s a 5 minute stop.
I’ve said before with our current lifestyle, an EV would probably work for us for a grocery getter. I’m not anti-EV but I’m going to wait for a rev level or two probably before I get interested in one…that, or the government decides to make gas/diesel so expensive it changes the math.
That’s where we’re going. They won’t make electric cheaper, they will make gas more expensive so electric is the cheaper option. But BOTH will be more expensive than the cheapest available option now. It’s what .gov does…….
I live out west and “rural”. EVs are all over the place in Albuquerque. Not so much in the 200 miles from nowhere locations.
Site Supporter
Members online
- Indyhd
- jedi
- acss502
- deo62
- Spartanmage
- nrgrams
- phil
- dieselrealtor
- Hoosierdood
- gonzo350
- Amattern
- shootersix
- Damdamdon
- mfd111
- Scott58
- Lacthaus
- Businessend
- 42769vette
- X ring
- loner
- hhi7410
- traderjoe
- Basher
- Njorris
- printcraft
- Alamo
- Ashton1911
- ditcherman
- TheGrumpyGuy
- jwamplerusa
- Bosshoss
- indyjohn
- Hoosier Carry
- hans1911
- T4rdV4rk
- KLB
- Michigan Slim
- ROLEXrifleman
- HD1
- user11230706
- rvb
- gassprint1
- diver dan
- Calvin
- jy951
- Doug
- diverjes06
- Wolfhound
- sapthol
- SheepDog4Life
