Several months ago TFL took a Ford Lightning all the way up to Dead Horse Alaska. As I watched the video it looked to me like any remote trip is going revolve around making arrangements to charge. I think they set out to show it was doable. I think they proved the technology is not ready to replace ICE vehicles. They have a place. If electric is your only vehicle there are just going to be things you can’t do.
It is probably enough to get him to about 80% charge. Getting from 10 to 80 is pretty quick. It slows down after that.3 hours is 180 minutes divided by 8 stops equals 22.5 minutes per stop. Is that enough charging time or did he charge longer and make up time on the road?
Rental firm Hertz Global Holdings (HTZ.O) said on Thursday it would sell about 20,000 electric vehicles from its U.S. fleet due to higher expenses related to collision and damage, and will opt for gas-powered vehicles.
"Expenses related to collision and damage, primarily associated with EVs, remained high in the quarter...," Hertz said in a regulatory filing on Thursday.
The company had previously set a target for 25% of its fleet to be electric by the end of 2024.
Hertz's used car website lists more than 700 EVs on sale including BMW's i3, Chevrolet's Bolt and Tesla's Model 3 and Model Y SUVs.
This could be the crack in the whole industry foundation…
The U.S. car fleet accounts for a mere 1.0% of global energy demand (5% x 19%), declining to 0.8% by 2050. So even if the U.S. shifts 100% to electric-powered cars, the maximum climate impact in 2050 is a meaningless 0.2% (22% x 0.8%) reduction in global Co2 emissions from the current electric grid, up to a maximum of 0.5% assuming solar, wind, and hydro can, implausibly, power 60% of electric demand.
In other words, there is no factual basis to claim that the government mandate to switch to electric cars will have any material impact on global Co2 emissions.
On chargers, are you kind of held hostage to the Ford products with that charger? I think Teslas have a different configuration, not sure about the GM/Fords/Chrylers (non-Teslas). Even if they make adaptors, can the brains talk to other batteries?Some real world numbers here from a new EV owner. My wife bought a Ford Mach E December 21st. It is a AWD extended range premium model. The battery is 91kWh. I have installed a 240v outlet in our garage to charge but her work has a free charger that she will be using most of the time.
In the month of December she plugged the car in 3 times for a total of 176% of charge. That equates to about 160 kWh of power.
November bill: 364kWh $67.72
December bill: 589kWh $94.57
Another "hidden" fee that the dealer didn't tell us about but I did know about is the extra cost at the BMV. It may have been mentioned earlier in this thread but they charged an extra $220 because you aren't paying fuel tax at the pump.
Also the tax credit is a joke! You only benefit from it if you owe federal taxes, which we do not. Now I believe that is changing in 2024 but the list of eligible vehicles has been reduced by about 50%.
I am a firm believer that EV's aren't for everyone, they have their place. I don't think the government should be pushing them like they are. It just isn't realistic. My two V8 mustangs and my V8 pickup aren't going to be replaced by an EV in my lifetime.
There is the NACS plug that Teslas use but almost everything else uses a J1772/CCS1 plug. Tesla has stated they will start opening up their chargers to other brands with an adapter. They are going to slowing allow this starting in February with Ford.On chargers, are you kind of held hostage to the Ford products with that charger? I think Teslas have a different configuration, not sure about the GM/Fords/Chrylers (non-Teslas). Even if they make adaptors, can the brains talk to other batteries?
When I was teaching, we discussed the use of EVs and I tired to explain to the kids they would probably own an EV at some point in time, but I stressed to them also do not get rid of your ICE vehicle. Urban use is ok, rural living might not be the best choice. Just my 2 cents worth.Some real world numbers here from a new EV owner. My wife bought a Ford Mach E December 21st. It is a AWD extended range premium model. The battery is 91kWh. I have installed a 240v outlet in our garage to charge but her work has a free charger that she will be using most of the time.
In the month of December she plugged the car in 3 times for a total of 176% of charge. That equates to about 160 kWh of power.
November bill: 364kWh $67.72
December bill: 589kWh $94.57
Another "hidden" fee that the dealer didn't tell us about but I did know about is the extra cost at the BMV. It may have been mentioned earlier in this thread but they charged an extra $220 because you aren't paying fuel tax at the pump.
Also the tax credit is a joke! You only benefit from it if you owe federal taxes, which we do not. Now I believe that is changing in 2024 but the list of eligible vehicles has been reduced by about 50%.
I am a firm believer that EV's aren't for everyone, they have their place. I don't think the government should be pushing them like they are. It just isn't realistic. My two V8 mustangs and my V8 pickup aren't going to be replaced by an EV in my lifetime.
On chargers, are you kind of held hostage to the Ford products with that charger? I think Teslas have a different configuration, not sure about the GM/Fords/Chrylers (non-Teslas). Even if they make adaptors, can the brains talk to other batteries?
When I was teaching, we discussed the use of EVs and I tired to explain to the kids they would probably own an EV at some point in time, but I stressed to them also do not get rid of your ICE vehicle. Urban use is ok, rural living might not be the best choice. Just my 2 cents worth.
Why do you think they aren't a good choice for rural living?When I was teaching, we discussed the use of EVs and I tired to explain to the kids they would probably own an EV at some point in time, but I stressed to them also do not get rid of your ICE vehicle. Urban use is ok, rural living might not be the best choice. Just my 2 cents worth.
Since I tend to have this view too, my response would be it’s mileage dependent. People who live in rural areas when they have to drive they drive more miles than folks who live in town. At least it’s true in our case.Why do you think they aren't a good choice for rural living?
Yeah, ours too. How remote are you? How often are you driving more than 200 miles in a day? The times I drove more than 100, I simply charged it when I got home. It is when you want to take a trip somewhere that it becomes an issue, or if you use your car to drive a lot of miles every day.Since I tend to have this view too, my response would be it’s mileage dependent. People who live in rural areas when they have to drive they drive more miles than folks who live in town. At least it’s true in our case.
We’re really not all that far out compared to some. We’re about 15 minutes from Mitchell and depending on where we’re going, about 30 minutes from Bedford, Salem, and Paoli. When my wife was having to go to Bloomington every day, I think she was driving close to 100 miles/day.Yeah, ours too. How remote are you? How often are you driving more than 200 miles in a day? The times I drove more than 100, I simply charged it when I got home. It is when you want to take a trip somewhere that it becomes an issue, or if you use your car to drive a lot of miles every day.
That’s where we’re going. They won’t make electric cheaper, they will make gas more expensive so electric is the cheaper option. But BOTH will be more expensive than the cheapest available option now. It’s what .gov does…….We’re really not all that far out compared to some. We’re about 15 minutes from Mitchell and depending on where we’re going, about 30 minutes from Bedford, Salem, and Paoli. When my wife was having to go to Bloomington every day, I think she was driving close to 100 miles/day.
The thing about EVs you have to consider your lifestyle and conform It to the limitations of the technology. We haven’t had to do that with an ICE vehicle since about 1910. As long as I can afford to keep the tank full, distance nor number of trips nor their frequency really is something I have to be wary of. Plus, if I do have to refuel, it’s a 5 minute stop.
I’ve said before with our current lifestyle, an EV would probably work for us for a grocery getter. I’m not anti-EV but I’m going to wait for a rev level or two probably before I get interested in one…that, or the government decides to make gas/diesel so expensive it changes the math.