The Real Costs of Electric Car Ownership - CNET

[indyblue]

I’m still wondering why there aren’t hybrids the way locomotives do it. An ice engine running at its most efficient RPM all the time running a generator to an all electric drivetrain. Surely an engine can produce enough power to run motors for anything a passenger vehicle might need with a minimal battery pack to bridge the gaps between needed power and the power the engine produces.

 

[Wstar425]

Unless some other technology displaces EV’s it’s going to overtake ICE eventually. And there are enough viable use cases for viable market now. But for political/ideological reasons, EV’s are being pushed into use cases they’re not well suited for yet.

All the major car manufacturers were pushing EV’s at the behest of ideologues, and not enough people like them. If the market can grow organically, it can be healthy through its evolution to maturity.

But. Idunno. ICE has been around for a long time, and it’s inevitable that a better technology will replace it eventually. I think electric motors is probably a better technology. It’s the whole battery thing that makes EV’s a problem now. I think it’s going to be transitional and won’t live as long as ICE did before the next big technology comes along.

Maybe it’s as simple as having a long enough extension cord? Whalaaa, no batteries!

 

[indyblue]

I still believe EV still loses environmentally due to the fact that there is not any no-toxic, financially viable way to dispose of and recycle all those Li batteries.

 

[MCgrease08]

I’m still wondering why there aren’t hybrids the way locomotives do it. An ice engine running at its most efficient RPM all the time running a generator to an all electric drivetrain. Surely an engine can produce enough power to run motors for anything a passenger vehicle might need with a minimal battery pack to bridge the gaps between needed power and the power the engine produces.

Hyliion Hypertruck ERX is smooth, powerful and unproven

Hyliion Hypertruck ERX long haul series hybrid test drive. Read CCJ for more.

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[firecadet613]

I’m still wondering why there aren’t hybrids the way locomotives do it. An ice engine running at its most efficient RPM all the time running a generator to an all electric drivetrain. Surely an engine can produce enough power to run motors for anything a passenger vehicle might need with a minimal battery pack to bridge the gaps between needed power and the power the engine produces.

The Ram Ramcharger is exactly this, but with a gas ICE engine.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

How far back do you think the first time a loaded truck being hacked and plowing through a traffic jam will set us? It will happen.

Probably. Humans do bad things. You think they don't do bad things directly behind the wheel, on purpose or on accident? Every technology can and will be abused by someone at some time, but it's not stopped us once.

Doubtful other than on southern, flat routes that have no adverse weather. Love to see how the driverless truck deals with Fourth of July pass in Northern Idaho, along with 3/4 of the rest of the country when the white lines are covered with snow and ice.

You think technology will stand still? We can deliver a cruise missile through a window beyond the horizon but piloting a truck without road markings will evade us for decades? GPS, RFID chips in the road banks, AI improvements, someone will figure out an economical means to do it.

Or a rolling roadblock to a stop, and hijack the cargo or entire truck? Didn’t Fast and Furious put out a documentary on this a while back?

It'll happen. Employee theft at loading and unloading will probably continue to be the bigger threat, though.

Unless some other technology displaces EV’s it’s going to overtake ICE eventually. And there are enough viable use cases for viable market now. But for political/ideological reasons, EV’s are being pushed into use cases they’re not well suited for yet.

Probably. I'm thinking of making a small bet on this: https://www.oxy.com/operations/carbon-innovation/project-ventures/ because money will pour into this like it has into Tesla regardless of the merits. Carbon credit shenanigans is the secret sauce that eluded me for quite some time on why Tesla was valued like it was. I was stuck on it was a battery tech company using cars to fund research until I finally figured out the carbon credit shuffle. By then I was well behind the curve, smarter people than me had already piled in the stock.

 

[MCgrease08]

Carbon credits play a much bigger role in all of this than most people realize. Every vehicle manufacturer gets scored on an emissions basis and certain vehicles cost credits, while others allow them to bank them up. All manufacturers have a credit bank and track it closely. They sometimes do even sell or trade those credits amongst each other. The ability to bank credits drives a lot of product strategy and long-term technology development.

 

[jamil]

Maybe it’s as simple as having a long enough extension cord? Whalaaa, no batteries!

Hey. That could work. But i suspect that might have some practical limitations.

 

[smokingman]

Hey. That could work. But i suspect that might have some practical limitations.

I remember Epcot center as a kid,and ridding along the "electric road" of the future.

We only need to increase our yearly cooper production around 100000 thousand tons per year,and we could make them a reality....oh and produce 100 times more electricity than we do now.

 

[Ingomike]

Tesla drivers are young, well-educated .... and accident prone, research shows

Tesla drivers are young and highly educated

justthenews.com

 

[foszoe]

GM offers $7,500 incentive for EVs losing tax credit

General Motors (GM) said Wednesday it is offering $7,500 incentives on its electric vehicles that lost a U.S. government t...

eresearch.fidelity.com

In case you thought you were actually getting $7500 off your vehicle, now you know it was more like, maybe $1500 for most of us.

 

[BJHay]

The technology will continue to develop. Toyota and Samsung have both promised commercial production of solid-state batteries for EV's by 2027. Solid-state batters are significantly better than Li-ion in almost every way. They promise to change the way people think about EVs and make every Li-ion EV obsolete and dramatically reduce their resale value.
We'll need to wait and see what is actually delivered and when.
I'm sure I'll own an EV someday but today I consider the technology more bleeding-edge than cutting-edge.

 

[foszoe]

The technology will continue to develop. Toyota and Samsung have both promised commercial production of solid-state batteries for EV's by 2027. Solid-state batters are significantly better than Li-ion in almost every way. They promise to change the way people think about EVs and make every Li-ion EV obsolete and dramatically reduce their resale value.
We'll need to wait and see what is actually delivered and when.
I'm sure I'll own an EV someday but today I consider the technology more bleeding-edge than cutting-edge.

Flow battery is the future I think not li ion

 

[Ingomike]

The technology will continue to develop. Toyota and Samsung have both promised commercial production of solid-state batteries for EV's by 2027. Solid-state batters are significantly better than Li-ion in almost every way. They promise to change the way people think about EVs and make every Li-ion EV obsolete and dramatically reduce their resale value.
We'll need to wait and see what is actually delivered and when.
I'm sure I'll own an EV someday but today I consider the technology more bleeding-edge than cutting-edge.

So it should be able to win in the market without my tax dollars funding it and laws being crammed down the peoples throats to create the appearance of viability…

 

[Tombs]

I’m still wondering why there aren’t hybrids the way locomotives do it. An ice engine running at its most efficient RPM all the time running a generator to an all electric drivetrain. Surely an engine can produce enough power to run motors for anything a passenger vehicle might need with a minimal battery pack to bridge the gaps between needed power and the power the engine produces.

I think a way to go even further would be a simplified turbine with a kinetically significant flywheel. Always spinning, just adds fuel and adds momentum when necessary, all hooked to a generator.

I figure it could be pretty tiny with obscene efficiency given the compression ratios a turbine can achieve vs a normal engine.

 

[BJHay]

So it should be able to win in the market without my tax dollars funding it and laws being crammed down the people throats to create the appearance of viability…

Yes, Exactly. I think someday EV's will become more durable, capable, and a better value than ICE. Others may differ but regardless the private sector should fund the change.

 

[BJHay]

Flow battery is the future I think not li ion

Good point, and after that who knows? I marvel at the advances in technology.

 

[ditcherman]

Carbon credits play a much bigger role in all of this than most people realize. Every vehicle manufacturer gets scored on an emissions basis and certain vehicles cost credits, while others allow them to bank them up. All manufacturers have a credit bank and track it closely. They sometimes do even sell or trade those credits amongst each other. The ability to bank credits drives a lot of product strategy and long-term technology development.

What a horrible way to run one of the largest segments of the country, a top down policy motivated by questionable data manipulating free market forces.
"Pay farmers to not plant" and "we're burning our food for fuel" ain't got nothin' on the carbon credit system.

 

[Alamo]

So earlier I posted that Tesla had 50k charging stations worldwide. That was true four months ago.

Now it’s 55K.

I wonder how Joe’s network is coming along.

 

[Doug]

So earlier I posted that Tesla had 50k charging stations worldwide. That was true four months ago.

Now it’s 55K.

I wonder how Joe’s network is coming along.

None yet, but Democrats are judged only by their intentions, never by their results.