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    Well that's the most sacrilegious thing I've seen all week.
    Not the Biden administration official claiming our inalienable rights come not from God but rather are given to us by the government? Not the officially sanctioned church of satan display in the Iowa (I believe) state capitol that someone was prosecuted for a hate crime for when he smashed it?

    You should get out more
     
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    Chill out there old timer with your condescending bad self. What you said sounded familiar and it was basically what I was also saying in a previous post, and I made public note of it. That's all.

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    If you had been paying attention, I have made no secret of the fact that I start reading into a thread at the post where I left off, commenting as I go, thus your post you wish to reference was still in my future when I commented. I sometimes miss in thread warnings for a while because my timeline hasn't caught up

    I only made the post specifically directed at you when you felt it necessary to bring up the same point again only a couple of posts later

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    foszoe

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    If you had been paying attention, I have made no secret of the fact that I start reading into a thread at the post where I left off, commenting as I go......I sometimes miss in thread warnings for a while because my timeline hasn't caught up
    Same
     

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    You mean more than someone loving them some Haley BECAUSE she has no path to win but is solely trying to damage the eventual republican nominee all while claiming not want Biden to win. Quite the ... umm ... 'interesting' strategy
    I was talking about the Jesus and Trump images for those who worship one of the two.

    Haley still managed ~40% in a state where the rural white evangelical voter base is high. She won the populated areas. We’ve had 3 primaries and she is at ~40% and you guys act like it’s absurd she is running. Trump had 32% in 2016 when he won in 16 and Haley managed to win a county or two that Trump won in 16. I’m not saying I would bet much on her, but it’s not like she isn’t getting votes. If Trump is the chosen one, why does he still have 40% voting against him?
     

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    I was talking about the Jesus and Trump images for those who worship one of the two.

    Haley still managed ~40% in a state where the rural white evangelical voter base is high. She won the populated areas. We’ve had 3 primaries and she is at ~40% and you guys act like it’s absurd she is running. Trump had 32% in 2016 when he won in 16 and Haley managed to win a county or two that Trump won in 16. I’m not saying I would bet much on her, but it’s not like she isn’t getting votes. If Trump is the chosen one, why does he still have 40% voting against him?
    She is showing 40% in states that all hold some form of open primary and it is an open secret that it is a democrat strategy to encourage their people to vote ABT. Let's see how she does in a state with a closed primary like Florida since her democrat voters will presumably need to vote for Biden
     

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    If you had been paying attention, I have made no secret of the fact that I start reading into a thread at the post where I left off, commenting as I go, thus your post you wish to reference was still in my future when I commented. I sometimes miss in thread warnings for a while because my timeline hasn't caught up

    I only made the post specifically directed at you when you felt it necessary to bring up the same point again only a couple of posts later

    It's not all about you. Not even most of it is about you
    Not to fret @BugI02 but alas my time here is not infinite. You will most likely not have to suffer this "fool" for very much longer.
     

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    Not to fret @BugI02 but alas my time here is not infinite. You will most likely not have to suffer this "fool" for very much longer.
    There are no guarantees (except salvation for those who believe), you could outlive me

    Make the best use you can of what time you do have, arguing with buckeyes should be way down on the list
     

    jamil

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    Well that's the most sacrilegious thing I've seen all week.
    Why? Sanctimoniously presumptive, yes. Sacrilegious? Nah. People get to believe they’re on God’s side, which, logically, would mean they also believe God is on their side. Is it disrespecting the sacred to think god could be on the side of a sinner?

    If it’s sacrilegious to think so, is it also sacrilegious to presume God is not on a person’s side who you think is unworthy? My problem with either is the presumption.
     

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    There are no guarantees (except salvation for those who believe), you could outlive me

    Make the best use you can of what time you do have, arguing with buckeyes should be way down on the list
    Let's just say that whatever time I have left is in God's hands. Scrapping with a buckeye on the way out is but a minor detail.
     

    jamil

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    There are no guarantees (except salvation for those who believe), you could outlive me

    Make the best use you can of what time you do have, arguing with buckeyes should be way down on the list
    There are worse ways to spend one’s finite time. :):
     

    jamil

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    You mean more than someone loving them some Haley BECAUSE she has no path to win but is solely trying to damage the eventual republican nominee all while claiming not want Biden to win. Quite the ... umm ... 'interesting' strategy
    I mean. Is it really damaging? People get to think what they think. And other people get to think what they think about that.
     

    foszoe

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    Why? Sanctimoniously presumptive, yes. Sacrilegious? Nah. People get to believe they’re on God’s side, which, logically, would mean they also believe God is on their side. Is it disrespecting the sacred to think god could be on the side of a sinner?

    If it’s sacrilegious to think so, is it also sacrilegious to presume God is not on a person’s side who you think is unworthy? My problem with either is the presumption.
    A redefinition from the specific instance to the general.

    I thought I understood religious terminology until I read this post.

    Tell me the specific difference between the two according to your definition.

    Tell me the logic followed to make the conclusion that is definitely one and not the other or both at the same time.
     

    jamil

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    I was talking about the Jesus and Trump images for those who worship one of the two.

    Haley still managed ~40% in a state where the rural white evangelical voter base is high. She won the populated [Democrat] areas. We’ve had 3 primaries and she is at ~40% and you guys act like it’s absurd she is running.

    First, fixed it for you. Second, it’s turtles all the way down. State after state will go to Trump because that's what the polling shows. Sure. Polling can be wrong. Especially when it's close. Is it close? Well, let's see. Here's 538's polling.

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    No. No, it's not close. She's losing major donors because she wasn't competitive in her own state. She's polling at 15.6% Trump is at 76.7%. The only places she's competitive is where Democrats can vote for her in high numbers, and that's only at county level. Of course it's absurd she's still in it. It's a joke that she's still in it. It's so absurd, it should be embarrassing for her to stay in it at this point and keep losing by such large margins.

    Trump had 32% in 2016 when he won in 16 and Haley managed to win a county or two that Trump won in 16. I’m not saying I would bet much on her, but it’s not like she isn’t getting votes. If Trump is the chosen one, why does he still have 40% voting against him?

    In the other thread I challenged pro-Haley people to make the case for why Haley should still be in the race, given the polls, and especially her abysmal showing in her own state. I also jokingly asked that whoever makes the case to use some decent reasoning because I didn't feel like laughing at you. If this were your entry, you failed the challenge and I'd be forced to laugh at you. :):

    You're basically saying that because she's at least winning a few counties that she belongs in the race? Not that DeSantis + Ramaswamy added up to a hill-o-beans, but look at that graph. Compare the bump she got with the bump Trump got when they dropped out. Looks like she couldn't even get their supporters to come to her side.
     

    jamil

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    A redefinition from the specific instance to the general.

    I thought I understood religious terminology until I read this post.

    Tell me the specific difference between the two according to your definition.

    Tell me the logic followed to make the conclusion that is definitely one and not the other or both at the same time.
    You're using a lot of determiners there, that I don't know what you're referring to. I guess I'll assume you're referring to the difference between sacrilegious and presumptuous. But, you know you just asked for a long post. What follows is on you. :):

    I'm looking at it from a secular definition. My understanding of sacrilegious in the most simple terms; it is disrespecting that which is sacred. Could be out of intent. Could be out of negligence. But, I think sacrilege involves at least some element of intent. Desecration is similar, but you can desecrate something sacred accidentally. Like accidentally walking through tribal burial grounds, when you had no reasonable cause to know that the land is sacred to someone. You can't disrespect something you had no reasonable opportunity to know is sacred.

    Presumptuous, is taking liberties that aren't due. Like presuming you'll get a promotion without signals that you would. Or presuming to know whose side God is on or not on, for a given person. I think it's just as much a presumption that God is not on someone's side as it is that he is on someone's side. Logically, if one thinks it's sacrilege to say God is on Trump's side, they must also believe it's sacrilege to say he's not. Either way, they presume what God's thoughts are.

    Okay, so is it sacrilege, i.e., disrespecting the sacred, to say God is on someone's side? Let's turn the examples around. Was the DeSantis commercial sacrilegious? It's definitely at least presumptuous. Is presumptions about sacred things sacrilegious? I think one could argue that taking undue liberties about what is sacred (if God's opinion about whose side he's on is sacred) is sacrilegious, but I think that's gonna be subjective. But hey. Your religion is your belief. Your religion gets to make up its rules about what is sacrilegious. Like I said, this is a secular take on it.
     

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    First, fixed it for you. Second, it’s turtles all the way down. State after state will go to Trump because that's what the polling shows. Sure. Polling can be wrong. Especially when it's close. Is it close? Well, let's see. Here's 538's polling.

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    No. No, it's not close. She's losing major donors because she wasn't competitive in her own state. She's polling at 15.6% Trump is at 76.7%. The only places she's competitive is where Democrats can vote for her in high numbers, and that's only at county level. Of course it's absurd she's still in it. It's a joke that she's still in it. It's so absurd, it should be embarrassing for her to stay in it at this point and keep losing by such large margins.

    In the other thread I challenged pro-Haley people to make the case for why Haley should still be in the race, given the polls, and especially her abysmal showing in her own state. I also jokingly asked that whoever makes the case to use some decent reasoning because I didn't feel like laughing at you. If this were your entry, you failed the challenge and I'd be forced to laugh at you. :):

    You're basically saying that because she's at least winning a few counties that she belongs in the race? Not that DeSantis + Ramaswamy added up to a hill-o-beans, but look at that graph. Compare the bump she got with the bump Trump got when they dropped out. Looks like she couldn't even get their supporters to come to her side.
    You say her performance was abysmal and challenged others to use logic? She landed ~40% and got wiped in the rural counties that love Trump. We can disagree about abysmal, but I don't see it as that. Nor do I see any logic or humor in your rant nor a reason she must get out now.

    I'm not saying she will win or that her chances are improving. I've stated why I think she will stay in longer than she should: to get delegates if Trump can't be the nominee. If she has the funds and momentum to stay in, that's her prerogative.
     

    jamil

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    You say her performance was abysmal and challenged others to use logic? She landed ~40% and got wiped in the rural counties that love Trump. We can disagree about abysmal, but I don't see it as that. Nor do I see any logic or humor in your rant nor a reason she must get out now.
    This doesn't sound like sound reasoning. 60-40 means she got owned. Where the votes come from doesn't matter. Of course the sensibilities of urban dwellers is different from rural dwellers. She'll get trounced anywhere she goes because, nation-wide, Trump voters outnumber not-Trump voters in the GOP.

    I'm not saying she will win or that her chances are improving. I've stated why I think she will stay in longer than she should: to get delegates if Trump can't be the nominee. If she has the funds and momentum to stay in, that's her prerogative.
    :): See? Even you think she shouldn't be in it. Her whole strategy is to help Democrats take Trump out of the race so that she can benefit from that. It's her prerogative. It's self-serving. Which she has a right to. But should she? You've answered that with the highlighted. And yeah. That's kinda hilarious.
     
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