Trump Lost

[JettaKnight]

Democrats NEVER stop cheating. That being said, there ARE some select few Republicans (like Indiana's governor) who are experts at it too.

Does anyone you like cheat? Or is it only the other guy?

 

[wtburnette]

I’m still a little unclear, so let me ask this:

Do you think fraudulent mail-in ballots were used? If so, how were they printed, filled out, delivered, etc? This is the sort of “coordination” I’m referring to. If you don’t believe there were fraudulent ballots, then disregard.

How were trucks and trunks full of these ballots found? A system where you request, then receive a ballot and have certain procedures to go through for validation makes sense. Dumping hundreds to thousands of these out unasked for is something else entirely.

I understand those points. My question is more about why they would choose not to in the midterms? Every election? No. One that stands to potentially undo everything they accomplished with the last one? Seems like a good candidate. If the red wave comes, that ends the Trump inquiries, effectively shuts down anything Biden tries to do for the rest of his term, and likely provides momentum into 2024. Unless the goal was extremely short-sighted in just getting Trump out for a term.

Because it hamstrung Trump. He's out of office and is less likely to have the same support he had when he was already in office. The next Republican to win will probably be another Chamber of Commerce Republican who is on board with the swamp.

 

[wtburnette]

Does anyone you like cheat? Or is it only the other guy?

The other guy. Duh...

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I truly don’t know the answer to it, and I’m trying to be honest in my posts. If that’s never happened before, then they better have a really solid reason. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

It’s been a year since the election... if you were truly intrigued in the possibility of fraud and want to use past elections as a precedent for 2020 you’ve had plenty of time to dig into it.


It doesn’t seem as if you’re really wanting to find the truth. It seems that you’re wanting to accept the results of 2020 and don’t want to face the possibility the republic has been taken from the people.


Please don’t take any of that as me getting personal, I’m not, I quite enjoy these discussions with you. Reading text is hard to interpret someone’s emotion they were intending, hopefully you know I’m not trying to argue or insult you... just enjoying our debate

 

[jsharmon7]

How were trucks and trunks full of these ballots found? A system where you request, then receive a ballot and have certain procedures to go through for validation makes sense. Dumping hundreds to thousands of these out unasked for is something else entirely.



Because it hamstrung Trump. He's out of office and is less likely to have the same support he had when he was already in office. The next Republican to win will probably be another Chamber of Commerce Republican who is on board with the swamp.

So trucks and trunks were found? If that’s what you’re saying, then that’s what I’m saying about “coordination.” That wouldn’t be a series of connected events, that’s a concerted effort.

As to part B, your belief is that it was strictly about Trump? It had nothing to do with actual power and was just that short-sighted?

 

[Hatin Since 87]

The next Republican to win will probably be another Chamber of Commerce Republican who is on board with the swamp.

Bull butter! I’m not voting for any politicians... ever. Well. Maybe desantis. But that’s the only one.

 

[Ingomike]

Are you being serious? Nobody on INGO has called it a “plandemic,” or called the election “stolen by fraud,” etc.? I guess if you’re saying you don’t believe there was a coordinated effort to steal the election then my comment doesn’t apply to you.

Sure some have called it a plandemic due to the volumes the Davos and WEF crowd has put out planning to use whatever crisis arises.

“stolen” is how most describe an election that features the events that occurred in the past one.

I will ask again, why does it have to be coordinated?

For example, did Obama coordinate the IRS against conservatives? I say no. They knew exactly what would help their party. Today, a conspiracy is not necessary for the conspiracy theory to be true…

 

[jsharmon7]

It’s been a year since the election... if you were truly intrigued in the possibility of fraud and want to use past elections as a precedent for 2020 you’ve had plenty of time to dig into it.


It doesn’t seem as if you’re really wanting to find the truth. It seems that you’re wanting to accept the results of 2020 and don’t want to face the possibility the republic has been taken from the people.


Please don’t take any of that as me getting personal, I’m not, I quite enjoy these discussions with you. Reading text is hard to interpret someone’s emotion they were intending, hopefully you know I’m not trying to argue or insult you... just enjoying our debate

Not personal at all! I usually only respond to these threads when I’m bored watching football or something. It’s interesting to see other opinions.

To be really honest, I haven’t done a great deal of research on all of these things. I’ve read through all the threads, claims, and evidence posted by all of you on INGO and haven’t been convinced. What I mean is, I do read through all the arguments put forth but none of it has seemed convincing enough to put much effort into looking further. Nothing posted there had made me go “oooooh that’s the smoking gun.” I’d Google whether states have ever stopped counting for a few hours/overnight but someone told me that’s not credible.

What’s been interesting is that I’m constantly accused of being a sheep or wanting to ignore information because I don’t blindly follow the groupthink posted here. I’ve said it before, but I didn’t support either candidate. If the Dems cheated, the ensuing circus would provide plenty of entertainment. Somebody please find definitive proof that would hold up in court and I’ll buy the popcorn. Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

 

[Ingomike]

Ok, so you would agree the left made a concerted effort to lie, cheat, and manipulate to take power? And the media is in on it, or at least a useful idiot for their goals?

My question is:

After all that, the midterms could completely undo that effort and tip the balance back to the right. If the “red wave” happens, how do we explain it? The left stopped trying to cheat?

By the way, I’m not attempting to debate anything or make an argument. I’m trying to clarify what the collective thinks happened the last election and how it relates to elections in the coming year. I’m seeing massive wins for the right next year, which doesn’t seem to me to jive with the “cheater” narrative. I’m curious as to thoughts on that.

Your question presupposes that there are no more votes to get out. I would bet one third to one half of INGO members failed to vote. There is a large number of potential voters looking a the rapid pace their life is getting worse, they are ripe to create a red wave that surpasses the ability for them to cheat.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Not personal at all! I usually only respond to these threads when I’m bored watching football or something. It’s interesting to see other opinions.

To be really honest, I haven’t done a great deal of research on all of these things. I’ve read through all the threads, claims, and evidence posted by all of you on INGO and haven’t been convinced. What I mean is, I do read through all the thoughts put forth but none of it has seemed convincing enough to put much effort into looking further. I’d Google whether states have ever stopped counting for a few hours/overnight but someone told me that’s not credible.

What’s been interesting is that I’m constantly accused of being a sheep or wanting to ignore information because I don’t blindly follow the groupthink posted here. I’ve said it before, but I didn’t support either candidate. If the Dems cheated, the ensuing circus would provide plenty of entertainment. Somebody please find definitive proof that would hold up in court and I’ll buy the popcorn. Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I respect that. That’s a lot better than people saying it as a fact that it did or didn’t happen.

Of course, I believe you know how I feel. I just don’t believe in that many coincidences happening at once, all of which benefited a single person. I would be more willing to accept it if half, or even 1/4, went to the other guy... but they didn’t. Every single instance ended with the same person benefiting... that’s just unheard of, even in the world of odds and probabilities, the chances of 5 states all needing to stop counting, while person A was leading in all 5... only to continue the next day and person B winning all 5... is just incomprehensible. Mathematically it’s just too unlikely to rule out fraud.

 

[jsharmon7]

Your question presupposes that there are no more votes to get out. I would bet one third to one half of INGO members failed to vote. There is a large number of potential voters looking a the rapid pace their life is getting worse, they are ripe to create a red wave that surpasses the ability for them to cheat.

Wasn’t 2020 a record for turnout? Sure, there are always more, but I don’t know how many more percent the next one will bring. I think the recent elections (VA and others) showed the Dems are in trouble. History has shown the party in the WH usually does badly in the midterms as well. I’ve been asked what it would take for me to believe there is fraud taking place. Dems sweeping the midterms would be the bar for me.

 

[Ingomike]

So trucks and trunks were found? If that’s what you’re saying, then that’s what I’m saying about “coordination.” That wouldn’t be a series of connected events, that’s a concerted effort.

As to part B, your belief is that it was strictly about Trump? It had nothing to do with actual power and was just that short-sighted?

I know of two truck drivers that came forward saying they saw ballots in their trucks. Both instances were in dem stronghold areas like Philly and Milwaukee. They were harassed by the FBI. That was local coordination we often ignore in democrat cities.

 

[jsharmon7]

I know of two truck drivers that came forward saying they saw ballots in their trucks. Both instances were in dem stronghold areas like Philly and Milwaukee. They were harassed by the FBI. That was local coordination we often ignore in democrat cities.

I have no information to refute this. What I’m arguing is that, if true, doesn’t that inherently mean there was specific coordination? Several in this discussion have said there wasn’t necessarily any concerted effort to steal the election. I’m saying posts like this one say otherwise.

 

[jsharmon7]

I respect that. That’s a lot better than people saying it as a fact that it did or didn’t happen.

Of course, I believe you know how I feel. I just don’t believe in that many coincidences happening at once, all of which benefited a single person. I would be more willing to accept it if half, or even 1/4, went to the other guy... but they didn’t. Every single instance ended with the same person benefiting... that’s just unheard of, even in the world of odds and probabilities, the chances of 5 states all needing to stop counting, while person A was leading in all 5... only to continue the next day and person B winning all 5... is just incomprehensible. Mathematically it’s just too unlikely to rule out fraud.

I know that some hate Reuters, but check this article out:

Fact Check

The article provides information that states did NOT stop counting votes. You said they did. Is there something specific in this article that’s demonstrably false? I’m asking to fact check the fact checkers.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I know that some hate Reuters, but check this article out:

Fact Check

The article provides information that states did NOT stop counting votes. You said they did. Is there something specific in this article that’s demonstrably false? I’m asking to fact check the fact checkers.

The entire basis of that fact check is the officials they asked.


Wisconsin did not stop counting on election night. In an elections update video posted on YouTube by PBS NewsHour ( here ), Meagan Wolfe, administrator of the Wisconsin Elections Commission, can be heard saying at the 1:18 minute mark: “Our municipal and county clerks have worked tirelessly throughout the night to make sure that every valid ballot has been counted and reported accurately.”


Tracy Wimmer, director of media relations for the Michigan Secretary of State, said: "At no point has the counting process stopped since it began at 7 a.m. yesterday morning (Nov. 3), which was when, per Michigan election law, it could begin.”






So I’m supposed to trust the officials that I’m accusing of cheating, that say they didn’t cheat?

 

[Ingomike]

Ok. My interpretation of posts over the last year has been that people believed there was a coordinated effort to steal the election. I don’t see how using pandemic scare tactics to push mail-in voting so fraud could be committed doesn’t inherently imply high-level coordination, but my belief doesn’t mean that’s what you all were implying.

The coordination came from Mark Elias attorney at Perkins Coke Boise. He was involved in the mail in voting and associated lawsuits in every battleground state. He was all involved in the AZ investigation and GA recounts. The law firm is supported by all the democrats main supporters.

 

[Alpo]

I miss Ingomike.

He had better graphics and outrageous news sources.

 

[jsharmon7]

The entire basis of that fact check is the officials they asked.


Wisconsin did not stop counting on election night. In an elections update video posted on YouTube by PBS NewsHour ( here ), Meagan Wolfe, administrator of the Wisconsin Elections Commission, can be heard saying at the 1:18 minute mark: “Our municipal and county clerks have worked tirelessly throughout the night to make sure that every valid ballot has been counted and reported accurately.”


Tracy Wimmer, director of media relations for the Michigan Secretary of State, said: "At no point has the counting process stopped since it began at 7 a.m. yesterday morning (Nov. 3), which was when, per Michigan election law, it could begin.”






So I’m supposed to trust the officials that I’m accusing of cheating, that say they didn’t cheat?

So what evidence do we have that says they did stop counting?

 

[Hatin Since 87]

So what evidence do we have that says they did stop counting?

The live results the night of the election? Do you not remember watching, and them announcing they would continue in the morning? After Georgia claimed the water pipe issue, multiple states jumped on the bandwagon and announced they were done for the night.


I witnessed it happen, in real time. I didn’t need to fact check it a month after.

 

[jsharmon7]

The live results the night of the election? Do you not remember watching, and them announcing they would continue in the morning? After Georgia claimed the water pipe issue, multiple states jumped on the bandwagon and announced they were done for the night.


I witnessed it happen, in real time. I didn’t need to fact check it a month after.

I did not see it. I’m normally in bed by 9:30, which is where I’m heading now. I’ll hop on YouTube tomorrow and find some original election night coverage.