To mask or not to mask....That is the question. Part II

[NKBJ]

If what the CDC says doesn't matter then how in the world did we ever get this asininity from an agency with no authority to do such a thing?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/declaration-form.pdf

 

[1DOWN4UP]

CDC Quietly Admits The Death Toll From COVID Vaccines Is Greater Than Every Vaccine In The Last 20 Years COMBINED

Are you one of those people hesitant to receive a COVID-19 vaccine? You know, one of those "dangerous" and "selfish" people, as the Democrats would call you, w

en-volve.com

 

[jamil]

I don't recall anything the government has done that forces me to wear a mask.
It's all on the private sector.

So what the CDC says doesn't really matter.

What the CEC does kinda matter because it drives state policies and private sector policies.

 

[chipbennett]

CDC Quietly Admits The Death Toll From COVID Vaccines Is Greater Than Every Vaccine In The Last 20 Years COMBINED

Are you one of those people hesitant to receive a COVID-19 vaccine? You know, one of those "dangerous" and "selfish" people, as the Democrats would call you, w

en-volve.com

Story doesn't match the headline. Color me surprised.

The Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) posted data which shows that more people have died after receiving a COVID vaccine than for all other vaccines of the last 20 years combined.

"Siri, show me what post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy looks like."

On the other hand, I do think it is cool to see how many people know about adverse event reporting. Sadly, too many people are merely misinformed about the data it contains, or worse, are intentionally politicizing it. The linked article appears to be in the latter camp.

 

[chipbennett]

I'm sure this has been posted here, but I'll reiterate: there has not been one, single documented case of Covid transmission from casual, outdoor contact. Not one. (Regardless of how much people are "spitting" from merely breathing.)

A Misleading C.D.C. Number (Published 2021)

We have a special edition of the newsletter on a misleading C.D.C. statistic.

www.nytimes.com

Do We Still Need to Keep Wearing Masks Outdoors? (Published 2021)

Science shows that the risk of viral transmission outside is very low, and federal health officials now have updated their advice. The “two-out-of-three rule” can help you decide whether to mask up.

www.nytimes.com

And, hey, at least for a few days, CDC now finally has a policy that agrees with actual science.

 

[chipbennett]

What the CEC does kinda matter because it drives state policies and private sector policies.

I would feel completely vindicated in the very consistent position I have taken over the past 15 months, given CDC's recent proclamation - if I had any faith that CDC won't (once again) contradict itself with a new proclamation next week.

Wearing masks outdoors has never been about any science. There has never been any science to support the practice. It has always been about control and social engineering.

 

[nonobaddog]

I'm sure this has been posted here, but I'll reiterate: there has not been one, single documented case of Covid transmission from casual, outdoor contact. Not one. (Regardless of how much people are "spitting" from merely breathing.)

Are you suggesting outdoor transmission has never happened? I wouldn't go that far. I believe it is comparatively rare but I find it highly likely that it has indeed happened.
The technicalities of the transmission being "documented" and the contact being "casual" probably make the statement true but misleading.

 

[drillsgt]

This is pretty much where we are now...

 

[d.kaufman]

 

[Magyars]

 

[jamil]

I would feel completely vindicated in the very consistent position I have taken over the past 15 months, given CDC's recent proclamation - if I had any faith that CDC won't (once again) contradict itself with a new proclamation next week.

Wearing masks outdoors has never been about any science. There has never been any science to support the practice. It has always been about control and social engineering.

It smells to me like this new change is more about 0biden hitting his promised vaccinated rate by 7/4.

 

[BugI02]

Are you suggesting outdoor transmission has never happened? I wouldn't go that far. I believe it is comparatively rare but I find it highly likely that it has indeed happened.
The technicalities of the transmission being "documented" and the contact being "casual" probably make the statement true but misleading.

If it could be documented, I suspect it would only be via fluid swapping, boot bumping, prolonged extremely close contact in the great outdoors

How common must it be to be significant rather than a curiosity? I believe people have been struck by falling airplane parts or ice chunk buildups, too - but we didn't mandate a change to construction standards because of it

 

[Sylvain]

This is pretty much where we are now...

What a moron.
Is he also going to wear his seatbelt when his car is parked in his garage?

The politicization of masks has been one of the most ridiculous thing from the start of the pandemic.

You had a presidential candidate who refused to wear a mask pretty much all the time, and another one that kept wearing two masks outdoor after having been fully vaccinated.

Both ridiculous in my opinion.

 

[BugI02]

Not being mistaken for a 'conservative' is what lets Hoggwash stay in his safe space where he never needs to hear anyone challenge his ideas, no matter how ***inine they are, or mention that he was over 1000 yards from the shooting he 'survived' as his claim to fame, hiding in the projection room of the auditorium

Fitting spokesperson for how the left wants you to react to danger, though

 

[nonobaddog]

If it could be documented, I suspect it would only be via fluid swapping, boot bumping, prolonged extremely close contact in the great outdoors

How common must it be to be significant rather than a curiosity? I believe people have been struck by falling airplane parts or ice chunk buildups, too - but we didn't mandate a change to construction standards because of it

One study in Ireland found that about 0.11% of confirmed cases were from outdoor transmission - 262 cases out of 232,164 total cases. That is more than the number of people that get pooped on by passing airliners but still not a lot.

 

[BugI02]

I would need to see the parameters that study used to conclude definitive outdoor transmission. A study done by the South Koreans, who had rigorous and intrusive contact tracing in place prior to the study as well as high quality testing for positivity, found that out of 407 patients testing positive for WuVid, 406 caught the disease from indoor exposure to others already infected. The one remaining case could not be definitively attributed to an outdoor exposure but it could not be ruled out

 

[DadSmith]

Rand Paul: CDC Camp Rules 'All Conjecture' and 'the Burden of Proof Should Be on the State' - No 'Rash of Deaths' from COVID Among Kids

On Friday's broadcast of the Fox News Channel's "Ingraham Angle," Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) reacted to the CDC's summer camp guidance and health officials | Clips

www.breitbart.com

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Private businesses dropping mask requirements, people getting vaccinated and soon gun shows will smell like pig farms again!

Nature is healing!

 

[nonobaddog]

I would need to see the parameters that study used to conclude definitive outdoor transmission. A study done by the South Koreans, who had rigorous and intrusive contact tracing in place prior to the study as well as high quality testing for positivity, found that out of 407 patients testing positive for WuVid, 406 caught the disease from indoor exposure to others already infected. The one remaining case could not be definitively attributed to an outdoor exposure but it could not be ruled out

Apparently the numbers were published in the Irish Times and the data was accumulated by the Health Protection Surveillance Center(HPSC) in Ireland and based on contact tracing but I could not find the actual study published anywhere.

 

[jamil]

If it could be documented, I suspect it would only be via fluid swapping, boot bumping, prolonged extremely close contact in the great outdoors

How common must it be to be significant rather than a curiosity? I believe people have been struck by falling airplane parts or ice chunk buildups, too - but we didn't mandate a change to construction standards because of it

I'd bet that a large crowd of people trying to mob traffic. Maybe large mobs of people throwing firebombs at federal buildings. Maybe large mobs of people breaking into department stores looting. Basically large mobs of people outdoors in close proximity to one another might tend to spread covid. Unless you're doing all that stuff to protest police brutality. Then yer good. zero chance of spread.