To Mask or Not to Mask?

[T.Lex]

However I like to think people are capable of reevaluating any opinion or decision when faced with new reliable information.

Welcome to INGO... blah blah blah.

 

[JettaKnight]

However I like to think people are capable of reevaluating any opinion or decision when faced with new reliable information.

I used to; pre-2020. Now I think everyone doubles down to prevent cognitive dissonance.


That's what I believe and I'll never change!

 

[HoughMade]

...However I like to think people are capable of reevaluating any opinion or decision when faced with new reliable information.

I would LOVE to think that. I have precious little evidence that this is case, however, given many events over the past year.

 

[BugI02]

You may say that, but your tone in this thread, and the others continue to mock anyone who thinks that masks are an effective tool.


A little bit of grace can go a long way in making life easier. And I'm not really asking for a miracle here. (A miracle would be for INGO to accept that a gun owner could vote for Biden - now that really would be some grace!)


EDIT: It's not fear mongering if some believes that (A) COVID-19 is a pretty bad disease, and (B) masks are effective at preventing it. That's called common sense.

If you want to point out fear mongering, let's also look all the folks on the right who are using a mandate to wear a mask in public as launching for their anti-globalist concepts. There's plenty of proselytizing about the "plandemic".

Or we just stop accusing people of fear mongering... you know... via grace.

You are the only person whose actions you can fully control. Instead of trying to deploy shame and condescension as tools to influence the behavior of others to more closely align with your predilection, you could always try coloring within those lines

Please point out to me where I have ever argued that people should not be free to personally decide they want to wear a mask, and then contrast that with how often I'm told I'm being selfish for not wearing one, that I don't care about my fellow man or want to kill grandma

I'm saying that if your plan to protect your personal health and wellbeing requires the ability to tell other people how they must act, you have chosen unwisely

You may say that, but your tone in this thread, and the others continue to mock anyone who thinks that masks are an effective tool.


A little bit of grace can go a long way in making life easier. And I'm not really asking for a miracle here. (A miracle would be for INGO to accept that a gun owner could vote for Biden - now that really would be some grace!)


EDIT: It's not fear mongering if some believes that (A) COVID-19 is a pretty bad disease, and (B) masks are effective at preventing it. That's called common sense.

If you want to point out fear mongering, let's also look all the folks on the right who are using a mandate to wear a mask in public as launching for their anti-globalist concepts. There's plenty of proselytizing about the "plandemic".

There is the crux. You are free to believe both A and B and adjust your life accordingly. But you seem unable to let it go at that because your protection doesn't work (in your mind) unless everybody else goes along with it also

Hence the support you overtly give to the public mask wearing mandate and the need you feel to mock those who conclude differently as conspiracy theorists, thus becoming a fellow traveler with the left

Or we just stop accusing people of fear mongering... you know... via grace.

Coup de grâce might be the best I can do

 

[CampingJosh]

I'm saying that if your plan to protect your personal health and wellbeing requires the ability to tell other people how they must act, you have chosen unwisely

You keep making that argument, but it's ridiculous.

We have safe drinking water in the U.S. because every new home, office building, etc. is required to be hooked up to a proper sewage disposal system of some kind.
Very few people drive around in armored cars because everyone is restricted from firing bullets down the streets.
We don't all go around wearing gas masks; we tell other people that they can't emit mustard gas into public spaces.

In all areas of life, people are restricted from doing the kinds of things that interfere with others enjoying their freedoms. A restriction on creating a dangerous situation for others is the most basic, most acceptable law.

 

[printcraft]

You keep making that argument, but it's ridiculous.

We have safe drinking water in the U.S. because every new home, office building, etc. is required to be hooked up to a proper sewage disposal system of some kind.
Very few people drive around in armored cars because everyone is restricted from firing bullets down the streets.
We don't all go around wearing gas masks; we tell other people that they can't emit mustard gas into public spaces.

In all areas of life, people are restricted from doing the kinds of things that interfere with others enjoying their freedoms. A restriction on creating a dangerous situation for others is the most basic, most acceptable law.

I've heard that the regular flu that kills 10 of thousands a year is virtually non existent this year...
Many maskers have argued that it's due to the effect of hand washing and mask use.
So, once we get covid licked... do you want to mandate that masks are a permanent fashion accessory for the entire population?
I mean, it will prevent a dangerous situation going forward for the flu...
Where do we stop?

 

[BugI02]

You keep making that argument, but it's ridiculous.

We have safe drinking water in the U.S. because every new home, office building, etc. is required to be hooked up to a proper sewage disposal system of some kind.
Very few people drive around in armored cars because everyone is restricted from firing bullets down the streets.
We don't all go around wearing gas masks; we tell other people that they can't emit mustard gas into public spaces.

In all areas of life, people are restricted from doing the kinds of things that interfere with others enjoying their freedoms. A restriction on creating a dangerous situation for others is the most basic, most acceptable law.

Shannon Watts apparently believes your ability to aquire and possess firearms 'creates a dangerous situation for others'

Do you acquiesce to others mandating such controls on that behavior as they desire or would you prefer that the stipulation a behavior you (ostensibly) support 'creates a dangerous situation for others' actually be proven before attempts are made to restrict your personal freedom

I am in no way required to conduct my personal affairs so you feel safe, which is manifestly what you wish to require

 

[BugI02]

I've heard that the regular flu that kills 10 of thousands a year is virtually non existent this year...
Many maskers have argued that it's due to the effect of hand washing and mask use.
So, once we get covid licked... do you want to mandate that masks are a permanent fashion accessory for the entire population?
I mean, it will prevent a dangerous situation going forward for the flu...
Where do we stop?

It's worse than that, Print. Methinks I detect the elitist certainty that only the conclusions they draw from events are valid or adhere to 'the science', so of course to disagree is tantamount to being wrong and requiring correction - preferably via the power of the state I'm sure

Ideas so great they have to be mandatory, you know

 

[phylodog]

You keep making that argument, but it's ridiculous.

We have safe drinking water in the U.S. because every new home, office building, etc. is required to be hooked up to a proper sewage disposal system of some kind.
Very few people drive around in armored cars because everyone is restricted from firing bullets down the streets.
We don't all go around wearing gas masks; we tell other people that they can't emit mustard gas into public spaces.

In all areas of life, people are restricted from doing the kinds of things that interfere with others enjoying their freedoms. A restriction on creating a dangerous situation for others is the most basic, most acceptable law.

Covid does not rise to the level of threat of any of the examples you posted. It is a significant threat to those who are high risk and those people are free to take whatever precautions they feel appropriate.

There is a difference and forcing the entire country into something which interferes with everyone's ability to enjoy their freedom based on unproven and inconsistent "facts" is ridiculous.

 

[Chewie]

Not to beat that dead horse yet some more, but I've been through the research and concluded that masks are effective.

I'll take the American Chemical Society Nano Subgroup research over some 'skeeter and a wire fence folk wisdom (forget who to credit with that one).

I'll agree about the skeeter and the chain link fence only because the mouse and the chain link fence is a better analogy. So why does Dr. Foolish say we need to wear 2 masks? 2 fences won't stop the mouse either.

 

[Chewie]

I realize that the concept I am about to mention is the very foundation of the internet, but...

...hasn't everyone already made up their mind on this? I believe that everyone is so entrenched that additional information on either side will simply be discounted as inaccurate or fabricated by whatever side it disagrees with.

What he said!

 

[amboy49]

Most, perhaps all, have probably the seen the Fauci segment on 60 Minutes where he states there’s no real scientific benefit for people to wear masks other than to make them feel better. I just ran across the segment on Youtube.
After seeing that I can’t understand how anyone can trust anything this clown has to say. I think he’s about 10% doctor and 90% politician. He panders to whichever party he feels will benefit him most in keeping his phony baloney job.

 

[bwframe]

Corona Derangement Syndrome?

CDS - Hmmmmm?

 

[jamil]

Jetta said it exactly and far better than I could.

You do you UBU, and I'll do me. I not only accept that, it is the preferred state of being, IMO.

Oh. So /thread. Finally.

 

[BugI02]

Oh. So /thread. Finally.

Your optimism exceeds mine

 

[jamil]

I realize that the concept I am about to mention is the very foundation of the internet, but...

...hasn't everyone already made up their mind on this? I believe that everyone is so entrenched that additional information on either side will simply be discounted as inaccurate or fabricated by whatever side it disagrees with.

Oh. That isn’t the foundation of the internet. If it were the thread would have ended long ago.

 

[churchmouse]

Most, perhaps all, have probably the seen the Fauci segment on 60 Minutes where he states there’s no real scientific benefit for people to wear masks other than to make them feel better. I just ran across the segment on Youtube.
After seeing that I can’t understand how anyone can trust anything this clown has to say. I think he’s about 10% doctor and 90% politician. He panders to whichever party he feels will benefit him most in keeping his phony baloney job.

We have a winner.
Fauci is a political hack. A stooge for sale.

 

[churchmouse]

I'll agree about the skeeter and the chain link fence only because the mouse and the chain link fence is a better analogy. So why does Dr. Foolish say we need to wear 2 masks? 2 fences won't stop the mouse either.

More fear.
More fear = more control.

 

[jamil]

You keep making that argument, but it's ridiculous.

We have safe drinking water in the U.S. because every new home, office building, etc. is required to be hooked up to a proper sewage disposal system of some kind.
Very few people drive around in armored cars because everyone is restricted from firing bullets down the streets.
We don't all go around wearing gas masks; we tell other people that they can't emit mustard gas into public spaces.

In all areas of life, people are restricted from doing the kinds of things that interfere with others enjoying their freedoms. A restriction on creating a dangerous situation for others is the most basic, most acceptable law.

You sound as if you agree with mask mandates.

Consider this possibility. Covid isn’t going to be “licked”. I’m kinda thinking that it’s naive to believe it will be. So if we can’t get rid of it, do we keep doing what we’re doing now? Endless mitigations, mandates, lockdowns, blaming, shaming? What if mask wearing weakens our immune systems?

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I've heard that the regular flu that kills 10 of thousands a year is virtually non existent this year...
Many maskers have argued that it's due to the effect of hand washing and mask use.
So, once we get covid licked... do you want to mandate that masks are a permanent fashion accessory for the entire population?
I mean, it will prevent a dangerous situation going forward for the flu...
Where do we stop?

Regarding the absence of flu... I'll repeat what I said some time ago, IMO it's mostly due to "stay home if you're sick".

Don't go to work...

Don't go to school...

Don't go and visit elderly relatives...

Stay at home when you're sick, keep your flu germs to yourself, and the flu almost disappears in one season.

Gee, why hasn't the CDC been advising us of this for decades?