The 2020 General Election Thread II

[JettaKnight]

I found this quote from Trump shortly after the attack on WTC.



He viewied the events of the day as a pecker contest on building height.

The man lacks an empathy gene.

A marker of of a psychopath, IIRC.

 

[HoughMade]

Typed just like the leftists would want.

Just because the left was wrong about Russia, doesn't mean that China did not interfere with this election. Trump was hurting them, they had to get a globalist puppet back in...

I think it's pretty clear that Russians tried to influence the 2016 election. There was, however, no evidence that Trump was a part of it in any way. Further, it was a matter of "influence", not tampering with the voting or counting.

Why would we be surprised that any competing superpower...or just short of superpower...would try to influence a U.S. election?

 

[BugI02]

No other Republican would have needed 74 million votes to beat Biden. Without Trump, Dem voter turnout would have been significantly lower.

Outside of his family, NOBODY voted for Joe Biden. They voted for NOT Donald Trump.

So, does this concept extend to anyone or is it unique to Trump? Are you telling me Nixon wasn't reviled by his opponents in 1972? That he was adored by his supporters?

I am skeptical that people who initially voted for Trump ignored his very real and desireable (from conservative viewpoints) accomplishments and voted for a Democrat simply because Trump didn't act presidential

 

[jamil]

I think Trump leans anti-war because that's where the polls led him.


In 2002 he would have been preparing to turn the Middle East into glass.... IMHO.

Didn’t he oppose the military actions of Bush back then? If there is a policy he’s pursued that I would call out as pandering, it’s probably his pro-military spending posture.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Why are we talking about what he would’ve done in 2002? Seems kinda, I dunno, irrelevant

 

[JettaKnight]

I think it's pretty clear that Russians tried to influence the 2016 election. There was, however, no evidence that Trump was a part of it in any way. Further, it was a matter of "influence", not tampering with the voting or counting.

Why would we be surprised that any competing superpower...or just short of superpower...would try to influence a U.S. election?

No surprise, and it definitely happened (as you described) with Russia. This is the first I've heard about it from China. And if it's like four years ago, that no reason to invalidate an election.



EDIT: I went back and looked at that article on China. It's really, really, light on any evidence. The few links point to opinion articles, and much of it is akin, "My mother's brother's nephew work for Acme, therefore anything mom says is influenced by Acme." A conspicuous absence on that list is NPR; I guess they could make a spider web connection.

The whole thing reeks of a hunt for Pepe Silvia.

 

[JettaKnight]

So, does this concept extend to anyone or is it unique to Trump? Are you telling me Nixon wasn't reviled by his opponents in 1972? That he was adored by his supporters?

I am skeptical that people who initially voted for Trump ignored his very real and desireable (from conservative viewpoints) accomplishments and voted for a Democrat simply because Trump didn't act presidential

Times have changed since Nixon. And there's plenty of other detractions about Trump other than his demeanor.

 

[BugI02]

Yeah. That is the crux of it. Another republican, such as GW, wouldn't make the presidency about himself. Hopefully, they would not have tweeted such ridiculous junk. And, they would have still accomplished much of what Trump has done that is important. But, it wouldn't have been a revolving door for the staff. Other countries wouldn't have been called ****holes. etc etc

We've had a cult of personality since 2008. I'm tired of it. Give me a president who recognizes that he serves the citizenry over gameshow hosts and transformational Hawaiians.

What if such a president realizes expecting 48% of the citizenry to carry the other 52% is unsustainable? Will you ever believe restricting the free **** pipeline can be serving all the citizenry if it staves off collapse?

If not, if you believe health care is a right and renewable energy is worth it at any price and we really should be open to take in all the world's hardship cases while hanging our heads in shame at our obvious racism, then you just want a more polished liar (which the Democrats have helpfully provided you)

 

[jamil]

Why are we talking about what he would’ve done in 2002? Seems kinda, I dunno, irrelevant

We can extrapolate something closer to his true aspirations today by looking at the things he praised or criticized before he ran for president. He’s accused of being a war monger and literally Hitler. And there aren’t really any indications from his past that those criticisms are accurate. He hasn’t gotten us entangled in any now wars, nor has he seemed to advocate for such. Both claims strike me as bull****.

 

[printcraft]

Times have changed since Nixon. And there's plenty of other detractions about Trump other than his demeanor.

Right?! He's ORANGE and he gets 2 scoops of ice cream... And don't even get me started about his hair!

 

[ghuns]

So, does this concept extend to anyone or is it unique to Trump?...

Pretty much everything about Trump's presidency is unique.

But I wasn't alive for the '72 election.

So let's ask Alpo; was your level of negative feelings for Tricky Dick less than, greater than, or equal to your negative feelings toward Trump? I realize this is a small sample size, but it should shed some light on the topic.

And I'm just gonna go out on a limb say no way Nixon's adoration level among his supporters reaches that of Trump. If it did, Nixon would NEVER have resigned.

 

[Bennettjh]

Trump is so bad. Thank God for Biden, now we can pay more taxes, pay more for fuel, and give up our guns.

Can't believe some of you "gun owners" carry on this way.

 

[BigRed]

No other Republican would have needed 74 million votes to beat Biden. Without Trump, Dem voter turnout would have been significantly lower.

Outside of his family, NOBODY voted for Joe Biden. They voted for NOT Donald Trump.

Some voted for Biden without even reading Biden's platform.... yes, some are really that moronic!

 

[jamil]

Pretty much everything about Trump's presidency is unique.

But I wasn't alive for the '72 election.

So let's ask Alpo; was your level of negative feelings for Tricky Dick less than, greater than, or equal to your negative feelings toward Trump? I realize this is a small sample size, but it should shed some light on the topic.

And I'm just gonna go out on a limb say no way Nixon's adoration level among his supporters reaches that of Trump. If it did, Nixon would NEVER have resigned.

For another perspective I remember that time even though I was young. My parents weren’t very political, but they seemed to like Nixon. I’m thinking they voted for him if they did vote. During Watergate it did not seem to me that they believed it went as deep as it did. I don’t think they hated him. It was more like removing layers of a rotten onion and not knowing how rotten it is until you got to the lowest layer.

Even when Ford became President I heard a lot of people saying that Nixon’s problem was the coverup. And they were appropriately upset about that as it were. Then we all found out that it wasn’t just the coverup. He was in it all the way.

But I do not think Nixon was as hated as Trump. Not even close. People began to view him with contempt. Ford lost in 76 at least partly because he pardoned Nixon. But also because I think people lost some trust in Republicans. Then Carter came in and utterly ****ed over the economy, failed miserably in foreign policy, and the rest is history.

 

[JettaKnight]

Trump is so bad. Thank God for Biden, now we can pay more taxes, pay more for fuel, and give up our guns.

Can't believe some of you "gun owners" carry on this way.

What way?


Speaking for myself, I don't care much at all for Trump, but I voted for him.

The people spoke, he lost, now it's time to do the honorable thing.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I think it's pretty clear that Russians tried to influence the 2016 election. There was, however, no evidence that Trump was a part of it in any way. Further, it was a matter of "influence", not tampering with the voting or counting.

Why would we be surprised that any competing superpower...or just short of superpower...would try to influence a U.S. election?

Nope. It makes sense for a superpower, even us, to do so. It would be baffling that neither China nor Russia would attempt to influence, at the very least if not tamper, in the election of an adversary.

 

[printcraft]

Nope. It makes sense for a superpower, even us, to do so. It would be baffling that neither China nor Russia would attempt to influence, at the very least if not tamper, in the election of an adversary.

Maybe we should... I don't know... secure the vote somehow by eliminating voting methods easily susceptible to tampering?

Nah, that's voter suppression printcraft, count all the votes...





even the illegal ones!

 

[Alpo]

Pretty much everything about Trump's presidency is unique.

But I wasn't alive for the '72 election.

So let's ask Alpo; was your level of negative feelings for Tricky Dick less than, greater than, or equal to your negative feelings toward Trump? I realize this is a small sample size, but it should shed some light on the topic.

And I'm just gonna go out on a limb say no way Nixon's adoration level among his supporters reaches that of Trump. If it did, Nixon would NEVER have resigned.

I left active duty in 1971 and was a reserve until 1975. My recollections are actually pretty favorable about Nixon's first run in 1968. He said he was going to get us out of Vietnam. And we believed him. By 1972, the war continued, but we saw that our involvement was diminishing and probably over. In early 1973 we signed a peace deal.

Casualties Vietnam



In 1972 Nixon visited China and we began to restore relations with that country.

Those are the key things I remember about RMN. I thought Watergate was not something that should have brought down a presidency. I didn't think it met the test of a high crime and misdemeanor. The Ellsberg breakin was more serious and perhaps unveiled some of Nixon's paranoia.

I think Nixon was a man for his time. There is no way that he would be considered VP material today and have an opportunity to run for President.

Now, to compare Nixon with Trump.....

I believe Nixon will be regarded favorably by history. I regard him favorably. This was prior to the "me" era and most of us still looked at the USA as a country of citizens, not corporations and billion dollar lobbying. Even so, the corporations with the most influence were primarily US-based and not global conglomerates owing allegiance only to shareholders.

Trump OTOH is representative of the failures of post-modern America. I'm not happy with that aspect of America today. Trump's actions over the last month will ruin his legacy, imho.

 

[JettaKnight]

Maybe we should... I don't know... secure the vote somehow by eliminating voting methods easily susceptible to tampering?

Nah, that's voter suppression printcraft, count all the votes...





even the illegal ones!

There's other ways to influence an election. There's plenty of documented rallies that were, at least in part, organized and funded by Russians in 2016.

 

[JTScribe]

Nothing shady at all, here.

https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1334569329334083586?s=20