Virginia Police Admit The Drug War Has Been Lost

[mrjarrell]

They're going to have to find another way forward, after admitting that the war they've been prosecuting has been lost. Good for them that they've finally realised that what they've been doing all these years has not worked. And their governor knows it, too. Hopefully, they'll come up with something more conducive to liberty and rationality than what has been done in the past. Education, (beyond the non-effective DARE propaganda) would be a decent start and rehab vs. jail would be a better expenditure of resources, if anything has to be spent.

Police veterans urge new approach to war on drugs - Richmond.com: Health

 

[gunowner930]

The problem with the war on drugs is that there is always somebody out there willing to risk everything to make money. Take down a drug lord, you open the market for somebody else. You can't stop it, you can't just make the demand go away

 

[phylodog]

Rehab as a better use of money. Just lovely. Virginia hasn't even officially legalized the stuff and we're already going to start formulating a plan on how to waste more tax dollars on these poor, innocent drug addicts.

As predicted.

 

[mrjarrell]

Rehab as a better use of money. Just lovely. Virginia hasn't even officially legalized the stuff and we're already going to start formulating a plan on how to waste more tax dollars on these poor, innocent drug addicts.

As predicted.

Just shift the money from the prisons to rehab, no net loss and it will actually cost less in the long run. Rehab vs. prison would save tax dollars.

 

[D-Ric902]

This is the first time I have ever heard this being discussed here on INGO

lets have a long, honest, adult conversation about it

I would hate to see this devolve into a name calling contest about "Prohibitionist" "freedom hating" "statist"


No, no really
honest and for true

 

[rambone]

Rehab as a better use of money. Just lovely. Virginia hasn't even officially legalized the stuff and we're already going to start formulating a plan on how to waste more tax dollars on these poor, innocent drug addicts.

As predicted.

Does it rile you less when taxes are poured into prisons and vice squads? That stuff is not cheap either.

I'm honestly curious. Personally I favor defunding all of the above. I don't get why some people passionately favor funding prison over rehab.

If I have misrepresented your position I apologize in advance. I do not recall you making any similar remarks about the wastefulness of the status quo.

 

[jbombelli]

This has always been a "war" that could never be won, and that could only result in massive prison populations & loss of rights for all of us.

 

[Mr Evilwrench]

You presume that the "war on drugs" is about drugs. More like an excuse to build state power, emplace surveillance capabilities, inure us to the police state, and hook as many citizens as possible with prison records.

 

[phylodog]

Just shift the money from the prisons to rehab, no net loss and it will actually cost less in the long run. Rehab vs. prison would save tax dollars.

No thanks. I'd rather tax dollars be placed in the pocket of those willing to do something to earn it rather than those who's career is making bad choices.

I'm all for legalization provided the money saved is actually saved rather than redirected to parasites.

 

[easy]

...I would hate to see this devolve into a name calling contest about "Prohibitionist" "freedom hating" "statist"

To late...

 

[miguel]

I am as right wing as they come and absolutely hate hippies. As a point of reference, the end of Easy Rider is something I watch to cheer up.

That said, I am done with the "drug war". Either go Saudi style (whack everyone caught) or drop it altogether. Since we are not man enough to do the former, let the dope grow and tax it...let them incorporate and make money legally.

 

[poptab]

rather than redirected to parasites.

taxes can never not go to parasites.

 

[poptab]

I am as right wing as they come and absolutely hate hippies. As a point of reference, the end of Easy Rider is something I watch to cheer up.

That said, I am done with the "drug war". Either go Saudi style (whack everyone caught) or drop it altogether. Since we are not man enough to do the former, let the dope grow and tax it...let them incorporate and make money legally.

wow man ... kill people for drugs?

thats a 50 dkp MINUS!!!

 

[churchmouse]

Just shift the money from the prisons to rehab, no net loss and it will actually cost less in the long run. Rehab vs. prison would save tax dollars.

Rehab does not work unless the addict "wants" to change. Most do not. It will be an absolute failure.

 

[phylodog]

taxes can never not go to parasites.

Sure, ok

 

[churchmouse]

I am as right wing as they come and absolutely hate hippies. As a point of reference, the end of Easy Rider is something I watch to cheer up.

That said, I am done with the "drug war". Either go Saudi style (whack everyone caught) or drop it altogether. Since we are not man enough to do the former, let the dope grow and tax it...let them incorporate and make money legally.

HHhhmmmmmmmmmm.......Kind of sad actually. It killed me to see the bikes get wrecked.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Make no mistake. Even if the light were to go on, everywhere, that the "war on drugs" has failed, it will not mean the American public will simply not want to "do something". Your money will still be flushed away only this time, the money will be flushed down another rat hole, called rehab. We'll spend billions and billions of dollars trying to help people, the vast, vast majority of which are not ready to help themselves. If we want to reduce drug addiction, I believe we have to hold people accountable for their actions. Redistribution of wealth in the name of rehab will be no more effective than the war on drugs and still result in loss of freedom.

 

[mrjarrell]

Rehab does not work unless the addict "wants" to change. Most do not. It will be an absolute failure.

It's worked in Portugal for over a decade, so we have a blue print for success.

 

[zippy23]

So you all are ok with a meth lab next door? You are ok with a house full of heroine addicts right next door with no jobs that steal your stuff and pawn it to get money to buy their drugs huh? horrible neighborhoods are riddled with drugs and crime, because of the drugs. Of course its not a winnable "war" as you will never stop 100% of people doing drugs. Thats not the point. Outright legalization of all drugs is beyond nuts. Does this carry over to prescription drugs? Pain pills are a huge problem and wreck people's lives. Isnt punishment for something a deterrent? Murder is illegal yet we try and stop murder right? Just watch a few episodes of cops, and just imagine the situations on the show being filmed with no cops. Imagine how out of control and insane society would be. 3 a.m. and people are fighting and screaming and yelling and the only ones who put a stop to it are the cops. I guess the neighborhood would them become a form of street justice and all hell would break loose. Laws help keep society in check. criminals(people that are bad for soceity) dont follow laws and should be put away. Drugs make people lazy, stupid, crazy, and hurt society. So just legalize it and all is said and done? Goodness.

 

[churchmouse]

This has always been a "war" that could never be won, and that could only result in massive prison populations & loss of rights for all of us.

It was never truly fought.