Will you take the Covid Vaccine?

[NHT3]

Not saying anything about COVID19, just providing the meaning of the lawyers use of Latin.

In that case apologies and thank you, I had no idea what the Latin was about.

 

[gregkl]

In that case apologies and thank you, I had no idea what the Latin was about.

No worries. I am sorry that you lost a family member no matter how it happened.

For the record, I keep my feelings about Covid pretty much to myself. There is just too little known and to much conjecture, opinions, and "facts" being thrown around like it's gospel.

There is a reason medicine is called "practice".

I have pretty much in the last year taken the position that I believe nothing that I hear and half of what I see.

 

[dusty88]

It is already reported on some media today 2/7/2020,but it is not great news.

The two vaccines tested against B.1.351 south African variant failed to do any better than a placebo in 2000 individuals with an average age of 31.


AstraZeneca says by autumn of 2021 they should have a new vaccine against the South African variant. No comment from Pfizer yet.

The world has 58 available versions of a sars-cov2 vaccine( https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32623-4/fulltext ). Hopefully one of them can fight mutations better than the placebo.

South Africa pauses AstraZeneca vaccine rollout after study shows it offers less protection against variant | CNN

South African health officials said Sunday they're pausing the country's rollout of AstraZeneca's coronavirus vaccine after a study showed it offered reduced protection from the Covid-19 variant first identified there.

www.cnn.com

I keep hearing this press release but haven't seen a published study or even a preprint. What little I heard was that it was a very tiny study.

 

[dusty88]

If it's a random antibody-resistant mutated virus, it won't matter if it bounces into a vaccinated person or not.

Yes it does

A random mutation doesn't necessarily have an evolutionary benefit. A random mutation that can survive when others cannot has an evolutionary benefit.

This is why, frustrating as it is, that infectious disease experts want to mitigate spread even amongst the vaccinated.

 

[smokingman]

I keep hearing this press release but haven't seen a published study or even a preprint. What little I heard was that it was a very tiny study.

It was a preprint in the Lancet. I had posted a link to it. It is gone and the link leads to a different study now. It was a study of 2k with a median age of 31. Follow the science,unless we do not want you to see the science then do what we say in ignorance.

Here is a clinical trial that is available to read through. On how to use guilt, fear,greed,self doubt,anger,and even forcing people to think they are cowards...to promote vaccination.


Example of "Messaging"
Not bravery message
1/15 of the sample will be assigned to this message which describes how firefighters, doctors, and front line medical workers are brave. Those who choose not to get vaccinated against COVID-19 are not brave.

ClinicalTrials.gov

clinicaltrials.gov

 

[mechmc17]

The fear messaging is STRONG with this one! Everyone who doubts this will surely perish.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Yes it does

A random mutation doesn't necessarily have an evolutionary benefit. A random mutation that can survive when others cannot has an evolutionary benefit.

This is why, frustrating as it is, that infectious disease experts want to mitigate spread even amongst the vaccinated.

Can you say why it matters if a random mutation that can survive when others cannot jumps into a vaccinated or unvaccinated host?

 

[smokingman]

The USA now has our own spike protein variant(over 1000 confirmed already in California).

Concerns Grow Over The Newly Discovered Southern California Covid-19 Variant

Increased rates of infection and deaths in Manaus, Brazil, despite prior infections affecting 76% of the population, serve as a warning that a new variant may reinfect a population infected with an earlier strain. A similar situation may be occurring in Southern California.

www.forbes.com

Ample data is available to suggest that B.1.351 is up to ten-fold immune-resistant to several vaccines, and could likely reinfect those previously infected. As P.1 carries many of the same mutations, there is a strong chance it is as well.

 

[Denny347]

This isn't going anywhere. We will have to adapt. I've had it once, got the vaccine, and as healthy as I am, not worried about getting it again. What happens, happens.

 

[tsm]

Unless covid can be completely wiped out (like smallpox), the world may eventually end up with a combined or dual flu/covid annual vaccine solution as both of them continue to mutate. Only time will tell.

 

[HoughMade]

...the world may eventually end up with a combined or dual flu/covid annual vaccine solution as both of them continue to mutate. Only time will tell.

I would say that there is a reasonable chance of something like that.

 

[Hawkeye]

Shot #2 last night. Pfizer. Guess I'm inoculated. Sore today, but that was from starting a different workout routine yesterday. I was already sore before I left to get the vaccine.

 

[PGRChaplain]

I'm over 70 and have Asthma, got Shot #1 2 days ago.

 

[dusty88]

Can you say why it matters if a random mutation that can survive when others cannot jumps into a vaccinated or unvaccinated host?

If the virus jumps into an unvaccinated host, the host has no antibodies anyway so no benefit to a mutation that avoids current antibodies. But if the host has antibodies to most variations, then the one that will multiply is an antibody-resistant variant. I don't think these occur very easily (or so it appears so far) but the more replication we have the more likely it is.

 

[melensdad]

If the virus jumps into an unvaccinated host, the host has no antibodies anyway so no benefit to a mutation that avoids current antibodies. But if the host has antibodies to most variations, then the one that will multiply is an antibody-resistant variant. I don't think these occur very easily (or so it appears so far) but the more replication we have the more likely it is.

Yup, this.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

If the virus jumps into an unvaccinated host, the host has no antibodies anyway so no benefit to a mutation that avoids current antibodies. But if the host has antibodies to most variations, then the one that will multiply is an antibody-resistant variant. I don't think these occur very easily (or so it appears so far) but the more replication we have the more likely it is.

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Yup, this.

How often do people get infected with multiple variants?

 

[Hawkeye]

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How often do people get infected with multiple variants?

Probably not really known at this point. I only started hearing about "variants" a month or two ago.

 

[tmschuller]

Getting shot #2 on Tuesday morning. We’re having a COVID party at work.. covid piñata included. . Not my idea but the bosses.
My spin on it is I hopped up a nerf gun and glued thumb tacks on them for covid balloons.. have a few residents that are looking forward to taking a few shots at them. Last shot was not fun .. was really sick for a few days and they told me it was because I had just got over it.. anyone else have issues after the first one? Headache fever and body aches

 

[joncon]

I get shot #2 Friday,my wife had shot #1 Thursday at Walmart. Both ours were the Moderna vaccine.

 

[melensdad]

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How often do people get infected with multiple variants?

There are now documented cases of people who have 2 different Covid variants AT THE SAME TIME so probably more frequently than we realize, but it is also likely that the variants are fairly disparate from each other.

I get shot #2 Friday,my wife had shot #1 Thursday at Walmart. Both ours were the Moderna vaccine.

My wife and I both get our #2 Moderna shots Monday Feb 22.