Uvalde Texas Killing

[d.kaufman]

When seconds count, A MAN WITH BALLS IS only an hour or so away.

FTFY

 

[jamil]

Donut is livestreaming now, covering what was divulged during a Texas senate hearing.




BTW. We know how he paid for the guns now. He had a joint bank account with his grandmother and paid for them with her money using a debit card. So no, the FBI didn’t buy them.

 

[thompal]

From the article and hearing
“Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steven McCraw walked through an updated timeline of events from the Uvalde shooting and read aloud from a transcript of police radio communications.

The transcript describes Uvalde school district Police Chief Pete Arredondo and other officers speculating on the status of those inside the classroom and painstakingly debating whether and how to breach the door.”

So we now know for a fact that the chief had a radio or at least access to one. The whole “I didn’t know dying kids were calling 911” thing is looking really flimsy.

Uvalde shooting hearing: Police response was 'abject failure'

The Texas state Senate heard testimony Tuesday on the Uvalde shooting as part of a committee hearing on preventing future mass shootings in Texas.

abcnews.go.com

Not to mention that they now say that the door to the classroom wasn't even locked. All they had to do was turn the knob.

 

[KLB]

Donut is livestreaming now, covering what was divulged during a Texas senate hearing.




BTW. We know how he paid for the guns now. He had a joint bank account with his grandmother and paid for them with her money using a debit card. So no, the FBI didn’t buy them.

Holy ****!

 

[ghuns]

I wanna hear what this cop has to say...

Well, not from his mouth but just a little more info...

Officer husband of slain Uvalde teacher was detained, had gun taken away after trying to save wife

Texas Department of Public Safety Director Col. Steven McCraw... said Mireles called Ruiz and told him that “she had been shot and was dying.”

“And what happened to him, is he tried to move forward into the hallway,” McCraw said. “He was detained and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene.”

McCraw didn’t say who specifically detained Ruiz.

Took his gun away?

If my wife lay bleeding to death on the other side of a door just down a hallway from me, my gun would be hard to take away without going off. Several times.

 

[jamil]

I can understand why so many people believe this was a false flag. How can one be this incompetent? How can they be forcefully incompetent? It boggles the mind. It’s easier on the mind just to believe they had to do it on purpose.

 

[Creedmoor]

Well, not from his mouth but just a little more info...

Officer husband of slain Uvalde teacher was detained, had gun taken away after trying to save wife



Took his gun away?

If my wife lay bleeding to death on the other side of a door just down a hallway from me, my gun would be hard to take away without going off. Several times.

Wife, kid, anybodys kids.
Christ its F'ing Texas.
Ever see a 7.3 crew cab dually spool up and back through a set of entrance doors or through a brick wall?
If one listens hard you could hear a Johnny Weismiller Tarzan yell in the background.


It gives me sads.

 

[tcecil88]

So much fail on the part of the Police here. Also, people knew this kid was a ticking timebomb, yet, they let it go off.

 

[ghuns]

...It gives me sads.

Gives me something closer to rage.

Probably shouldn't say that with all the talk of new and improved red flags laws coming down the pike.

 

[Creedmoor]

Gives me something closer to rage.

Its truly disappointing with all those Everything is "BIGGER IN TEXAS" fathers in the parking lot, apparently not a Crayon Eatin Ground Pounder among them.

 

[jamil]

Its truly disappointing with all those Everything is "BIGGER IN TEXAS" fathers in the parking lot, apparently not a Crayon Eatin Ground Pounder among them.

That mom sure had Texas sized balls though.

 

[Ark]

Well, not from his mouth but just a little more info...

Officer husband of slain Uvalde teacher was detained, had gun taken away after trying to save wife



Took his gun away?

If my wife lay bleeding to death on the other side of a door just down a hallway from me, my gun would be hard to take away without going off. Several times.

Knowing what we know now I would vote to acquit any parent or family member who used any level of force up to and including deadly force to remove those police officers from their path. Sorry not sorry. This goes so far beyond cowardice. They were acting as accomplices to help the shooter get his high score.

I hope Indiana parents pay attention to this and I hope they show up armed and in kit when the day comes that this happens at their children's school. This needs to be the watershed event where we decide that we're no longer asking for permission to save our kids.

 

[jamil]

Knowing what we know now I would vote to acquit any parent or family member who used any level of force up to and including deadly force to remove those police officers from their path. Sorry not sorry. This goes so far beyond cowardice. They were acting as accomplices to help the shooter get his high score.

I hope Indiana parents pay attention to this and I hope they show up armed and in kit when the day comes that this happens at their children's school. This needs to be the watershed event where we decide that we're no longer asking for permission to save our kids.

I think that's a reasonable mitigating circumstance. Clearly those officers were not following protocol in the first place. Instead of spending time holding parents and husbands back, they should have confronted the shooter as soon as they got on scene. You can't expect people to just stand there when they know their loved ones are in there while the shooter is still actively shooting people.

If the cops had responded like they were trained to respond, the people with loved ones inside the school wouldn't have felt like they had to do it. I mean. 3 ****ing minutes! The shooter entered the school at 11:33. Three officers entered the building at 11:36. Some had rifles. Some had a shield. This event should have been over by 11:37. It should have been over before any parents even got on scene. It could have been.

 

[Ark]

I think that's a reasonable mitigating circumstance. Clearly those officers were not following protocol in the first place. Instead of spending time holding parents and husbands back, they should have confronted the shooter as soon as they got on scene. You can't expect people to just stand there when they know their loved ones are in there while the shooter is still actively shooting people.

If the cops had responded like they were trained to respond, the people with loved ones inside the school wouldn't have felt like they had to do it. I mean. 3 ****ing minutes! The shooter entered the school at 11:33. Three officers entered the building at 11:36. Some had rifles. Some had a shield. This event should have been over by 11:37. It should have been over before any parents even got on scene. It could have been.

Exactly. You can hold people back when you're telling them the shooter's soul has been violently evicted from his body and you need the hallways clear for the train of EMS that is hauling victims out as quickly as possible. You may NOT hold people back because it interferes with you protecting the shooter and doing nothing. Absolutely not. "This is our job not yours" ceases to be valid when you stop doing your job.

 

[Beastmodeski]

We need to instill a better foundation with our kids, if there’s guns in the home, kids should learn to have respect for them at an early age. Respect for adults have dwindled over the last 20-30 years. Stop having the secular world raise our kids. What happened with all the values and ethics in society. Feels like a free for all, which grooms this generation for actions such as this. And if you know your kid has serious mental issues get them help if you can’t do it yourself. We need to open mental hospitals again.

 

[Exile 1]

After going through active shooter training for years and years, I can tell you they were cowards plain and simple. I don't care if it's only you who are there, you immediately go in, seek out, and eliminate the source of gunfire. Hunt and kill. If you cannot do that, you are in the wrong profession.

 

[jamil]

Exactly. You can hold people back when you're telling them the shooter's soul has been violently evicted from his body and you need the hallways clear for the train of EMS that is hauling victims out as quickly as possible. You may NOT hold people back because it interferes with you protecting the shooter and doing nothing. Absolutely not. "This is our job not yours" ceases to be valid when you stop doing your job.

The idiot in charge actually pulled officers out of the school to do crowd control.

 

[bwframe]

We need to instill a better foundation with our kids, if there’s guns in the home, kids should learn to have respect for them at an early age. Respect for adults have dwindled over the last 20-30 years. Stop having the secular world raise our kids. What happened with all the values and ethics in society. Feels like a free for all, which grooms this generation for actions such as this. And if you know your kid has serious mental issues get them help if you can’t do it yourself. We need to open mental hospitals again.

This is a conversation for another thread.

To be short, the mental health of our youth hinges on the family unit. We have left the idea of the family unit behind decades ago.


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[Ingomike]

This is a conversation for another thread.

To be short, the mental health of our youth hinges on the family unit. We have left the idea of the family unit behind decades ago.


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And are reaping the results…

 

[rooster]

I hope Indiana parents pay attention to this and I hope they show up armed and in kit

Kit now lives in my vehicle. Vehicle sleeps in the garage at night. I hate that this is what the world has come to but I’d never be able to live with myself if I showed up to that scene at my daughters school and my kit was sitting at the house.