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  • DadSmith

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    Getting back to the article, I think the important thing to know is whether the entrance exam objectively measured a "gifted" child. If it did, they essentially traded an objective entrance bar with a subjective one.
    It depends on who the judges are. It is not based on IQ alone. Sometimes IQ isn't used at all. So it depends on who they think is gifted if they are not using a high IQ.
     

    jamil

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    It depends on who the judges are. It is not based on IQ alone. Sometimes IQ isn't used at all. So it depends on who they think is gifted if they are not using a high IQ.
    I’m talking about the entrance exam that was discontinued. The article called it a standardized entrance exam. What they said they replaced it with sounds subjective. So if this standardized entrance exam objectively identified gifted students then they’ve traded an objective way for a subjective way.
     

    KLB

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    As long as the teachers are being honest in their assessments, I really wouldn't have an issue with that. A teacher should know which, if any, of her students would benefit from such a program.
     

    grillak

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    I agree with what you're saying, although I feel passing laws against the teaching of CRT and other racist garbage in schools is 100% necessary to prevent increased racism in the future.
    oh...i know that laws have their place and function. but, the education we give out children at home is what is going to negate the bull pushed on our children.

    most children used to be taught morals, fairness, pride in accomplishments, a sense of community, etc. now, most parents rely on a stranger to teach kids everything. and here we are.
     

    Firehawk

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    Racism is real and a real problem. But CRT is built on lies and framed in Marxism. It’s chief purpose is to forever shift the balance of power in this country. It states that racism is woven into every part of our country and culture and the solution is to tear down every system and give the Marxist CRT leaders the power to rebuild it all. They’ve weaponized racism but it’s all about politics and power.
     

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    I believe some will be left out is what I'm getting at. Be it for political reasons, monetary, or skin color.

    I doubt a gifted child will lose interest in school before they reach 9th grade.

    Have you read how they determine a child is gifted or not?

    One is how they interact with other children. It does all come down to IQ.

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    Who judges if the child is gifted?
    So your willing to let smart, “gifted” children stagnate in the first years of their learning to avoid the possibility that others may or may not be left behind for unproven reasons? And who judges the reasons that a child appeared to be left behind?
     

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    As long as the teachers are being honest in their assessments, I really wouldn't have an issue with that. A teacher should know which, if any, of her students would benefit from such a program.
    Without putting rules and punishments in place, how do we guarantee that teachers are being honest? Does the system have a long prided history of the entire teaching profession being honest? You seem to believe it’s a simple thing that teachers are honest. I say that history of the last 30 years in the teaching profession will say otherwise. There are countless teachers out there that have been dishonest for the sake of their personal agenda. Others that were dishonest for their sexual desires with children. Some that were dishonest to maintain their high testing scores.
     

    KLB

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    Without putting rules and punishments in place, how do we guarantee that teachers are being honest? Does the system have a long prided history of the entire teaching profession being honest? You seem to believe it’s a simple thing that teachers are honest. I say that history of the last 30 years in the teaching profession will say otherwise. There are countless teachers out there that have been dishonest for the sake of their personal agenda. Others that were dishonest for their sexual desires with children. Some that were dishonest to maintain their high testing scores.
    You describe people in general. Teachers are only human.

    In general, yes I would trust teachers with this. I have more faith in them than some standard test.
     

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    You describe people in general. Teachers are only human.

    In general, yes I would trust teachers with this. I have more faith in them than some standard test.
    I understand where you are coming from but the big difference is a standardized test does not have a soft spot for certain people or ideas where as a person is bound to have some type of bias known or otherwise. I
     

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    So your willing to let smart, “gifted” children stagnate in the first years of their learning to avoid the possibility that others may or may not be left behind for unproven reasons? And who judges the reasons that a child appeared to be left behind?
    So you are willing to leave it up to leftist school counselors and teachers to pick who in their opinion are the gifted children? You don't think they are bias in their choices? We are talking big democrat controlled cities and school corporations.
     

    KLB

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    I understand where you are coming from but the big difference is a standardized test does not have a soft spot for certain people or ideas where as a person is bound to have some type of bias known or otherwise. I
    Tests can be biased as well. I would tend to trust the opinion of the teacher working with a student every day more than a standard test.
     

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    The funny part about the response against CRT is...folks have been OK with everything up until this?

    Folks protesting at school board meetings over CRT but they are fine with every other bit of socialism that has crept in but CRT...that's the bridge too far?

    Seems to be a judgement against folks who haven't questioned the system up until now.
     

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    So you are willing to leave it up to leftist school counselors and teachers to pick who in their opinion are the gifted children? You don't think they are bias in their choices? We are talking big democrat controlled cities and school corporations.
    This isn't a big city problem only.

    Folks who think their rural government schools are "good ones" aren't paying attention.
     

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    So you are willing to leave it up to leftist school counselors and teachers to pick who in their opinion are the gifted children? You don't think they are bias in their choices? We are talking big democrat controlled cities and school corporations.
    I would much rather see a test that I can accept or argue against that is standard than try to prove bias by a single teacher’s choice. I would also rather see a handful get that opportunity than closing it down because 1 child might or might not equally get a fair shake. If we decide the validity of a program based on wether a child might fall through a crack we haven’t proven exists, then we might as well not educate any child due to the chance of an intentional roadblock that maybe created at some arbitrary point in the future. Best to error on the side of not putting the child at risk.
     

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