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    When do Europeans get reparations from the Muslims for their invasions?
    Exactly! Look at a select portion of history, and you can make just about anybody out to be the victim.

    Not only that, but if white people in the USA owe reparations to anyone, it's not to African Americans. While it does NOT excuse the atrocities of the past, it's a simple fact of the present circumstances that most African Americans are better off where they are right now than the average person in Africa, which means, for all its horror and injustice, the fact that their ancestors were brought over as slaves has been a net benefit to them, when considering the most likely alternative if the Atlantic slave trade had never happened.

    Looking at history and trying to calculate who owes who what is a never-ending rabbit hole of nonsense. But of course, the people who seriously argue in favor of reparations aren't interested in taking an honest look at history, they just want an easy payday, or to score cheap virtue-signaling or political points, just because "white man bad."
     

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    Maybe a way to code it into laws is banning curriculum based on identity. But worded to avoid unintended consequences. The only consequence should be that we do not allow political zealots to indoctrinate our kids into cultural Marxist thinking.
     

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    I am shocked there was such a test in the first place for kindergarten children. Imo glad it's gone. The most racist programs seem to be in Democrat controlled states and cities.

    I can see this in high school and college but not at elementary level schools.
    Is the program still “gifted and talented” qualified if there‘s no exam to check entrance level of the participants?
     

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    Is the program still “gifted and talented” qualified if there‘s no exam to check entrance level of the participants?
    You think they will find gifted and talented children at kindergarten and 1st grade levels?
    I don't mind a program like that starting around the sophomore year of high school that makes sense.
     

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    You think they will find gifted and talented children at kindergarten and 1st grade levels?
    I don't mind a program like that starting around the sophomore year of high school that makes sense.
    So your saying there’s no need for the program at this grade level. Not that students shouldn’t be testing into a gifted program?
     

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    So your saying there’s no need for the program at this grade level. Not that students shouldn’t be testing into a gifted program?
    Not until they are old enough. At that level they are still developing, and it seems to me it is set up to deny those children they deem unworthy as is social or political status. Possibly color of their skin as well. I put nothing past democrats.
     

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    Not until they are old enough. At that level they are still developing, and it seems to me it is set up to deny those children they deem unworthy as is social or political status. Possibly color of their skin as well. I put nothing past democrats.
    Actually it is more important at that age. Gifted children can get bored pretty easily in school.
     

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    Actually it is more important at that age. Gifted children can get bored pretty easily in school.
    This can be easily achieved by parents who have the money to enter their toddlers and pre school children to a gifted school for their age group. They may not actually be gifted but are trained and educated to a point they are way ahead of other children their age.
    This is also achieved by home schooled children who's parents start them off around 6 months old. This is probably why home schooled children are so far ahead of public schooled children.
     

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    This can be easily achieved by parents who have the money to enter their toddlers and pre school children to a gifted school for their age group. They may not actually be gifted but are trained and educated to a point they are way ahead of other children their age.
    This is also achieved by home schooled children who's parents start them off around 6 months old. This is probably why home schooled children are so far ahead of public schooled children.
    Neither of which is really pertinent to whether gifted children can and should be identified early. A very smart child is not the same as an educated one.
     

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    Neither of which is really pertinent to whether gifted children can and should be identified early. A very smart child is not the same as an educated one.
    I believe some will be left out is what I'm getting at. Be it for political reasons, monetary, or skin color.

    I doubt a gifted child will lose interest in school before they reach 9th grade.

    Have you read how they determine a child is gifted or not?

    One is how they interact with other children. It does all come down to IQ.

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    Who judges if the child is gifted?
     
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    I believe some will be left out is what I'm getting at. Be it for political reasons, monetary, or skin color.

    I doubt a gifted child will lose interest in school before they reach 9th grade.

    Have you read how they determine a child is gifted or not?

    One is how they interact with other children. It does all come down to IQ.

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    Who judges if the child is gifted?
    No doubt some will be left out.

    Yes children will lose interest before 9th grade. I skipped most of 3rd grade and was in a gifted program when I was a child. I still lost a lot of interest in school. The school wanted to skip me past 5th too apparently, but my parents said no to that one. I'm glad they did. Being two years younger than the other kids in my class would have been hell. One year younger was bad enough.

    Schools will no longer advance students that are ahead. Do most even have gifted programs anymore? Schools seem more worried about making other students feel bad by acknowledging that some are more intelligent.

    I have not read how that school district did. I was talking in general, not specifics.
     

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    No doubt some will be left out.

    Yes children will lose interest before 9th grade. I skipped most of 3rd grade and was in a gifted program when I was a child. I still lost a lot of interest in school. The school wanted to skip me past 5th too apparently, but my parents said no to that one. I'm glad they did. Being two years younger than the other kids in my class would have been hell. One year younger was bad enough.

    Schools will no longer advance students that are ahead. Do most even have gifted programs anymore? Schools seem more worried about making other students feel bad by acknowledging that some are more intelligent.

    I have not read how that school district did. I was talking in general, not specifics.
    My sister was gifted they moved her from 8th to 11th she graduated early. She went to the medical field. She has the ability to read and retain everything she reads. She also reads very fast.
    I feel left out :):
     

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    No doubt some will be left out.

    Yes children will lose interest before 9th grade. I skipped most of 3rd grade and was in a gifted program when I was a child. I still lost a lot of interest in school. The school wanted to skip me past 5th too apparently, but my parents said no to that one. I'm glad they did. Being two years younger than the other kids in my class would have been hell. One year younger was bad enough.

    Schools will no longer advance students that are ahead. Do most even have gifted programs anymore? Schools seem more worried about making other students feel bad by acknowledging that some are more intelligent.

    I have not read how that school district did. I was talking in general, not specifics.
    When I was living in Missippi my neighbor had moved there from Connecticut. They had a son who was very smart. He was young but well past kindergarten. Something like 3rd or 4th grade. He got very bored with school. He complained that they were teaching stuff he learned 2 grades earlier. Eventually they sent him to a boarding school, maybe by the 8th grade. They didn't feel like he was learning anything new. It certainly is the case that kids learn at different paces, they have different IQ's, and they do get board when the pace is too slow for them.
     

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    Getting back to the article, I think the important thing to know is whether the entrance exam objectively measured a "gifted" child. If it did, they essentially traded an objective entrance bar with a subjective one.
     
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