Russia vs. Ukraine Part 3

[Cavman]

Weapon stockpiles are always a problem.

People don't like spending on 'unnecessary' stuff.
And weapons are 'unnecessary' during peacetime. Cause people say, well, wars are a thing of the past.
And, if you have a stockpile, you have to keep it current.
Which costs more $$$

And then a war happens, and you have to ramp up production from the peacetime levels.
An example WWII torpedoes.
They SUCKED.
Also, at first they were making them in minuscule numbers.
Not able to make up the numbers being fired.
Of course, if they worked right, they might not have needed to fire quite as many.


Or, look at simple things like bombs.
Vietnam saw WWII bombs still being used.
One reason for some MAJOR problems during carrier fires (I think 3 different carriers).
Cause the WWII bombs had a shorter "cook off" time.
Pretty awful when you watch a video of a fire team rushing in to cool the bombs going off, wiping out an entire firefighting team.

I watched two 105 guns go down this summer due to bad charges being used. They where Vietnam era. Artillery unit was worried cause if their tubes where deemed deadline they lost the guns completely cause there where no more tubes or replacement systems in the country. Everything extra was sent to Ukraine.

 

[actaeon277]

I watched two 105 guns go down this summer due to bad charges being used. They where Vietnam era. Artillery unit was worried cause if their tubes where deemed deadline they lost the guns completely cause there where no more tubes or replacement systems in the country. Everything extra was sent to Ukraine.

Navy was running into a problem with 16 inch shells when they recommissioned the Iowa battleships under Reagan.
After all, how many of those are made?

 

[DragonGunner]

Guy on a SXS forum posted him riding. From Ukraine. Someone asked why he wasn’t fighting? Said he hadn’t been called up yet. Someone wanted to know why he thought it was safe enough to be out playing in the woods? I looked it up and he is close to the Polish border. No fighting clear over there, and guess they aren’t calling up people from that far west.

 

[actaeon277]

Weapon stockpiles are always a problem.

People don't like spending on 'unnecessary' stuff.
And weapons are 'unnecessary' during peacetime. Cause people say, well, wars are a thing of the past.
And, if you have a stockpile, you have to keep it current.
Which costs more $$$

And then a war happens, and you have to ramp up production from the peacetime levels.
An example WWII torpedoes.
They SUCKED.
Also, at first they were making them in minuscule numbers.
Not able to make up the numbers being fired.
Of course, if they worked right, they might not have needed to fire quite as many.


Or, look at simple things like bombs.
Vietnam saw WWII bombs still being used.
One reason for some MAJOR problems during carrier fires (I think 3 different carriers).
Cause the WWII bombs had a shorter "cook off" time.
Pretty awful when you watch a video of a fire team rushing in to cool the bombs going off, wiping out an entire firefighting team.

Also, it seems that 'experts' ALWAYS seem to underestimate the amount of supplies necessary.
Look at individual battles.
Lives and material usually exceed the estimates. Sometimes by decimal places.

 

[smokingman]

Zelensky demands NATO membership at Davos but rejects 'freezing' war

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky renewed his country's bid for NATO membership at a meeting with the head of the Western defence alliance in Davos on Tuesday, but pair appeared to differ on ways to end the war. Zelensky told NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg on the sidelines of the...

www.yahoo.com

I thought NATO had said no during an active war? Seems WEF may have changed that and Zelensky feels empowered enough to show up at Davos in person to demand membership.

 

[DadSmith]

 

[smokingman]

Zelensky demands NATO membership at Davos but rejects 'freezing' war

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky renewed his country's bid for NATO membership at a meeting with the head of the Western defence alliance in Davos on Tuesday, but pair appeared to differ on ways to end the war. Zelensky told NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg on the sidelines of the...

www.yahoo.com

I thought NATO had said no during an active war? Seems WEF may have changed that and Zelensky feels empowered enough to show up at Davos in person to demand membership.

Guess who else is in Davos? The new president of Poland and....

Polish President believes Ukraine's accession process to NATO can be started before end of war​

Polish President believes Ukraine's accession process to NATO can be started before end of war

Polish President Andrzej Duda has said he believes that Ukraine's accession to NATO is not possible until the end of the war with Russia, but the process can be initiated even while the confrontation is still ongoing.

www.yahoo.com

 

[smokingman]

Oh? Zelenski is now at the WEF podium demanding the EU and allies send them troops.

 

[Ark]

Oh? Zelenski is now at the WEF podium demanding the EU and allies send them troops.

None. We are willing to send none of our sons to die for your putrid, corrupt little backwater.

Sue for peace while you're still alive to sign the documents.

 

[SEIndSAM]

 

[Super Bee]

Well, when you are running out of men and still want to keep the gravy train going.

 

[Brad69]

So kids with Down’s syndrome and women it’s over folks!

 

[erasure]

Have to wonder what the point of it all was. Victory over Russia, really? or just eradicating a bunch of Ukrainians? and what for?

 

[Route 45]

Have to wonder what the point of it all was. Victory over Russia, really? or just eradicating a bunch of Ukrainians? and what for?

Probably has something to do with being invaded by a foreign enemy. But I'm just spitballing here.

 

[DadSmith]

West worried Zelensky ‘getting out of control’ – Lavrov

Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky is becoming increasingly unhinged as he clings to power, and his Western backers are looking

www.globalvillagespace.com

 

[Brad69]

West worried Zelensky ‘getting out of control’ – Lavrov

Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky is becoming increasingly unhinged as he clings to power, and his Western backers are looking

www.globalvillagespace.com

The little man better hope the bad orange man doesn’t come back. Looks like Europe is about done with the little dictator, who has done more to destroy freedoms than the Ruskies.

 

[Ark]

Well, when you are running out of men and still want to keep the gravy train going.

Ukraine still has women left? Thought they were all swiping Tinder and dancing in nightclubs in Germany.

 

[DragonGunner]

Howy seems to think Putin and Trump are good friends, and Trump got the war going. Classic ending when Howy says Putin started the war, but finds out the US forced them so we could have our war.

 

[Route 45]

 

[Route 45]

Russian central bank reveals major fall in energy revenues

The Bank of Russia said national exports saw a major year-on-year decline by nearly a third, reaching almost $423 billion

www.rt.com