Russia vs. Ukraine Part 3

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  • BugI02

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    Supposedly the $40 million was meant to buy 100000 mortar shells

    I don't buy that kind of ammunition, but do mortar shells really cost $400 apiece? Seems pricey
     

    JettaKnight

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    Supposedly the $40 million was meant to buy 100000 mortar shells

    I don't buy that kind of ammunition, but do mortar shells really cost $400 apiece? Seems pricey
    That's not much more than a Mosin Nagant is going for these days.


    War ain't cheap. (yet people complain about foreign aid; it's cheaper than war)
     

    smokingman

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    If it was not clear before China is now saying out loud it supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine officially. They had some harsh words for the US and EU as well. Personally I see China as a much greater threat than Russia. Russia could not cripple us economically. Example without China we would not even have a single oil filter for cars or trucks. Almost none of our pharmaceuticals can even be made without chemicals and ingredients from China. The trillions of dollars in imports from China over the last few decades has caused us to rely on them in way to many ways.

     
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    BugI02

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    That's not much more than a Mosin Nagant is going for these days.


    War ain't cheap. (yet people complain about foreign aid; it's cheaper than war)
    Mortar SHELLS, there, cowboy

    In your analogy, its more like 1 round of 7.62 x 54R costs as much as the gun that fires it

    As I said, seems pricey
     

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    Zelenskyy confirmed in an interview with Italian broadcaster RAI TV released late Sunday that he was thinking about removing Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the popular commander-in-chief of Ukraine's armed forces. He said he was contemplating the move to ensure the country remains led by individuals who are “convinced of victory” against Russia.

    “A reset, a new beginning is necessary,” Zelenskyy said. The review is "not about a single person but about the direction of the country’s leadership.”


    "I’m thinking about this replacement, but you can’t say here we replaced a single person,” Zelenskyy said. “When we talk about this, I mean a replacement of a series of state leaders, not just in a single sector like the military. If we want to win, we must all push in the same direction, convinced of victory. We cannot be discouraged, let our arms fall. We must have the right positive energy.”

    Zelenskyy's comments were his first acknowledgement of Zaluzhnyi,'s possible firing. The potential ouster of the general already has caused an uproar in Ukraine.

    Zaluzhnyi is widely respected among Ukrainian service members and considered a national hero. He is credited with stalling Russia’s full-scale invasion in the early days of the war and expertly pushing back Moscow’s troops.

    Kyiv Mayor Vitalii Klitschko criticized the possibility of Zaluzhnyi’s firing, saying it was due to the general's leadership that “many Ukrainians truly trust the armed forces.”

    “Today is a moment when politics might prevail over reason and country’s interests," Klitschko said on social media. The mayor of Ukraine's capital city has been a vocal critic of Zelenskyy. The presidency in turn has accused Klitschko's office of inefficiencies.

    It is unclear who might replace Zaluzhnyi and if his successor would command the same level of respect from Ukraine's troops and foreign defense leaders. His firing could risk degrading morale at a critical time in the war.

    According to Ukrainian and Western media reports, Zelenskyy asked Zaluzhnyi to resign last week, but the general refused. Zaluzhnyi has not commented publicly on the reports.



    Three weeks ago.
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    *edit to add Chuck Schumer's comment of the day.
     
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    Zelenskyy confirmed in an interview with Italian broadcaster RAI TV released late Sunday that he was thinking about removing Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the popular commander-in-chief of Ukraine's armed forces. He said he was contemplating the move to ensure the country remains led by individuals who are “convinced of victory” against Russia.

    “A reset, a new beginning is necessary,” Zelenskyy said. The review is "not about a single person but about the direction of the country’s leadership.”


    "I’m thinking about this replacement, but you can’t say here we replaced a single person,” Zelenskyy said. “When we talk about this, I mean a replacement of a series of state leaders, not just in a single sector like the military. If we want to win, we must all push in the same direction, convinced of victory. We cannot be discouraged, let our arms fall. We must have the right positive energy.”

    Zelenskyy's comments were his first acknowledgement of Zaluzhnyi,'s possible firing. The potential ouster of the general already has caused an uproar in Ukraine.

    Zaluzhnyi is widely respected among Ukrainian service members and considered a national hero. He is credited with stalling Russia’s full-scale invasion in the early days of the war and expertly pushing back Moscow’s troops.

    Kyiv Mayor Vitalii Klitschko criticized the possibility of Zaluzhnyi’s firing, saying it was due to the general's leadership that “many Ukrainians truly trust the armed forces.”

    “Today is a moment when politics might prevail over reason and country’s interests," Klitschko said on social media. The mayor of Ukraine's capital city has been a vocal critic of Zelenskyy. The presidency in turn has accused Klitschko's office of inefficiencies.

    It is unclear who might replace Zaluzhnyi and if his successor would command the same level of respect from Ukraine's troops and foreign defense leaders. His firing could risk degrading morale at a critical time in the war.

    According to Ukrainian and Western media reports, Zelenskyy asked Zaluzhnyi to resign last week, but the general refused. Zaluzhnyi has not commented publicly on the reports.



    Three weeks ago.
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    *edit to add Chuck Schumer's comment of the day.


    Makes me wonder how much that group is run like the mafia, better kick up more to boss at the top.
     

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    Zelenskyy confirmed in an interview with Italian broadcaster RAI TV released late Sunday that he was thinking about removing Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the popular commander-in-chief of Ukraine's armed forces. He said he was contemplating the move to ensure the country remains led by individuals who are “convinced of victory” against Russia.

    “A reset, a new beginning is necessary,” Zelenskyy said. The review is "not about a single person but about the direction of the country’s leadership.”


    "I’m thinking about this replacement, but you can’t say here we replaced a single person,” Zelenskyy said. “When we talk about this, I mean a replacement of a series of state leaders, not just in a single sector like the military. If we want to win, we must all push in the same direction, convinced of victory. We cannot be discouraged, let our arms fall. We must have the right positive energy.”

    Zelenskyy's comments were his first acknowledgement of Zaluzhnyi,'s possible firing. The potential ouster of the general already has caused an uproar in Ukraine.

    Zaluzhnyi is widely respected among Ukrainian service members and considered a national hero. He is credited with stalling Russia’s full-scale invasion in the early days of the war and expertly pushing back Moscow’s troops.

    Kyiv Mayor Vitalii Klitschko criticized the possibility of Zaluzhnyi’s firing, saying it was due to the general's leadership that “many Ukrainians truly trust the armed forces.”

    “Today is a moment when politics might prevail over reason and country’s interests," Klitschko said on social media. The mayor of Ukraine's capital city has been a vocal critic of Zelenskyy. The presidency in turn has accused Klitschko's office of inefficiencies.

    It is unclear who might replace Zaluzhnyi and if his successor would command the same level of respect from Ukraine's troops and foreign defense leaders. His firing could risk degrading morale at a critical time in the war.

    According to Ukrainian and Western media reports, Zelenskyy asked Zaluzhnyi to resign last week, but the general refused. Zaluzhnyi has not commented publicly on the reports.



    Three weeks ago.
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    *edit to add Chuck Schumer's comment of the day.

    Schumer is and always has been an A$$hat, first degree!:toilet2:
     

    smokingman

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    Oleksandr Syrskyi the "butcher" is in.

    As guess as to what he was doing during the maiden revolution to oust the then president?


    But Syrskyi’s also known for leading forces into a meat grinder in Bakhmut, sending wave after wave of troops to face opposition fire. In the end, Kremlin-backed Wagner Group mercenaries captured the city.

    For that and other reasons, Syrskyi is deeply unpopular with Ukraine’s rank-and-file.

    “Very bad decision,” a Ukrainian military captain told NatSec Daily. The captain, like others, was granted anonymity to avoid retaliation or to provide their unvarnished opinion.

    Another person knowledgeable of Syrskyi’s operations echoed that view. His appointment is unlikely to have a positive effect for Ukraine, as Syrskyi is seen by those on the frontlines as a stern Soviet-style general who callously puts his men in danger.

    This person added that Ukrainian troops have given Syrskyi a gruesome nickname: “Butcher.” The captain confirmed that the nickname has stuck, as has “General200” — which stands for 200 dead on the battlefield.
     

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    Oleksandr Syrskyi the "butcher" is in.

    As guess as to what he was doing during the maiden revolution to oust the then president?


    But Syrskyi’s also known for leading forces into a meat grinder in Bakhmut, sending wave after wave of troops to face opposition fire. In the end, Kremlin-backed Wagner Group mercenaries captured the city.

    For that and other reasons, Syrskyi is deeply unpopular with Ukraine’s rank-and-file.

    “Very bad decision,” a Ukrainian military captain told NatSec Daily. The captain, like others, was granted anonymity to avoid retaliation or to provide their unvarnished opinion.

    Another person knowledgeable of Syrskyi’s operations echoed that view. His appointment is unlikely to have a positive effect for Ukraine, as Syrskyi is seen by those on the frontlines as a stern Soviet-style general who callously puts his men in danger.

    This person added that Ukrainian troops have given Syrskyi a gruesome nickname: “Butcher.” The captain confirmed that the nickname has stuck, as has “General200” — which stands for 200 dead on the battlefield.
    The opinions of the cannon fodder have always ranked dead last in this war.
     

    smokingman

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    So see if I am tracking we are supporting the Ukraine economy.
    If peace is declared we would stop supplying the cash.

    Sounds like a racket to me?

    Well if peace was declared the IMF would of course loan even more money to Ukraine(just like the billions in loans the US is backing now). The US government would not need to give Ukraine any money, but we to as a country own 60% of the IMF so it might need some more from congress.

    See. It is all just free money.
     
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