Just based on looks, the two rifles aren't bad. I've heard the 9MM HP Carbine is not a bad shooter; anyone ever tried one?
Sorry you feel that way cubby, maybe you got one that needed some help.sorry. i will take my opinions based on FACT and just be quite.
hi points are pieces of **** that no one should bet their lives on. smother than pig in chocolate all you want.
you dismiss everyone who says a bad word about HP as being a smart ass. i hate to break it to you, but thats BS. i HAVE owned HPs, ignore it all you want, but the fact is they are built to a price, and marketed to people who don't know any better.
Sorry you feel that way cubby, maybe you got one that needed some help.
HP's in that respect, are no different than others. Anything mass produced within an acceptable tolerance range can fail, or be of "lesser quality" in the eyes of others. Mine jammed a few times during it's break in period yes, does that make it junk? well maybe to you and your opinion, of which you are rightfully allowed.
I'm not "dismissing you as a smartass".
They are built to a price point yes, but saying people that buy them don't know any better, is as ludicrous in my mind, as dismissing you as a smartass for your opinion.
I guess if I buy a set of Craftsman tools that are warranted for life for $20, versus the same same set from MAC or Snap-On for three times as much, I'm just not finacially capable of keeping up with you. So be it, mine work as well as yours.
These weapons are sold days, if not minutes after they hit the shelves.
The price (because of demand) is going up. Not from the manufactuer either, so take that into consideration when you buy your next from your favorite dealer.
Just yesterday, the LGS I frequent had the C9, JHP, and JCP for $199. Six months ago I paid $120 for my C9.
MSRP price point means nothing when the shop price reflects a gouge on the lower cost items because thay can't sell enough "better" guns to make the rent.
If you really want determine the BS, you have an invitation to my house to see just how well my "Cheap Tools" work.
That is NOT a threat. I won't shoot you , I'll simply show you they work, then let you see for yourself first hand, that I'm not BS'ing you.
Pigs can be mean, and I personally don't care for anything smothered in chocolate, but my HP is on me at all times 'cause it's all I have besides a Mosin 91/30, Remington 572 Fieldmaster, NEF Pardner Pump 12g, S&W model 29 Highway Patrolman .357 (on loan at the moment), Winchester model 40 12g Autoloader, and an HP JH .45 (the wife's).
I'm confident that any of these tools will cause you to understand quickly that your opinion is just that, an opinion based on your past experience.
My experience tells me that yours, though entirely possible, is not the sole basis for judging anything, for mine is just the opposite.
I've had Ford vehicles that IMO are "junk pieces of ****". I relied on them and they failed, so I moved on to something else.
Others swear by them. Who am I, or you for that matter, to tell someone not to buy something simply based on our experiences.
Saying we've had bad luck is not the same as condeming the product as a whole to all who would listen.
I bought a TV awhile ago that failed on the second day. Does that make them all junk? or did I just get a bad one. I returned the first one and the replacement is still going.
My point is, everything is subject to failure, from the $150 pistol, to the $1000 pistol. One bad experience may sour you, but that's no reason to try and sour others on it.
$1000 Kimbers fail. I know, I've seen it. $150 HP's fail. I know, I've lived it.
At the end of the day, if your guns fails, I'll do my best to help you out with my HP, unless it too fails, at which point either one becomes nothing more than a rock. Rocks are free. Are we going to argue about who has the "better" rock?
I have no malice towards anyone and the choices they make. I'm not in a postion to judge. My position, like all other's, is simply to survive the best way I can with what I have, or can afford.
Only when you refuse my offer of help because I have something you think is not worthy of helping you, will you be judged, and that judgement won't be from me.
sorry. i will take my opinions based on FACT and just be quite.
hi points are pieces of **** that no one should bet their lives on. smother than pig in chocolate all you want.
you dismiss everyone who says a bad word about HP as being a smart ass. i hate to break it to you, but thats BS. i HAVE owned HPs, ignore it all you want, but the fact is they are built to a price, and marketed to people who don't know any better.
Hehehehee...... Wasn't even talking about you.
Hope you have a better day tomorrow.
hahahaha!! i won't... they're gonna shove a camera up my ass!!
liquid diet, laxatives, and a large pepperoni and sausage pizza in the fridge laughing at me......
Man.. That sucks.
Just remember....... If you hear banjo music start-up....... RUN!!!!
I always felt that when a person pays my bill their opinion might hold some weight; until then their opinion is like an a-hole, everyone has one. If you have the best you can afford and it does what you intended you have nothing to defend.