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    Sylvain

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    GodFearinGunTotin said:
    I only know what I've been reading and hearing over here but my impression is he was a subordinate in one of the earlier, socialist or all but socialist administrations and has only recently claimed to be no longer part of that mind set. Again, shades of US candidates. :D
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    Yes, he was part of the current government but he's an independent candidate not part of the socialist party (so officially not a socialist even if he might have some socialist views when it comes to some things).
    Probably why he's so popular.
    He's a centrist, not as left wing as Clinton but not as right wing as Trump I guess you could say. :dunno:
     
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    No succession.
    If certain people in California want to live under a different countries rules, then they can move to a different country.
    Simple.
     
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    Sylvain said:
    Yes, he was part of the current government but he's an independent candidate not part of the socialist party (so officially not a socialist even if he might have some socialist views when it comes to some things).
    Probably why he's so popular.
    He's a centrist, not as left wing as Clinton but not as right wing as Trump I guess you could say. :dunno:
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    Trump's not "right wing"...at least he's not a conservative. He's a democrat that sometimes says things that conservatives like to hear. Just the other day, he was bragging on what a great health care system Australia has and he's on record being for single-payer healthcare, even during the election. He's not a conservative. Now, if right wing means anti-illegal immigrant which is about the only thing I see about LePen that would make her "far right", then yeah, maybe Trump is far right, in a European matrix.
     
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    GodFearinGunTotin said:
    Trump's not "right wing"...at least he's not a conservative. He's a democrat that sometimes says things that conservatives like to hear. Just the other day, he was bragging on what a great health care system Australia has and he's on record being for single-payer healthcare, even during the election. He's not a conservative. Now, if right wing means anti-illegal immigrant which is about the only thing I see about LePen that would make her "far right", then yeah, maybe Trump is far right, in a European matrix.
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    Well it's hard to compare the two systems.
    I guess you could call Trump a centrist also then? :dunno:
    He used to be a Democrat and he ran as a Republican.So he's kinda in the middle.

    Le Pen is considered far right because her party has always been far right historically.Against immigration (legal or not), anti-semitic, homophobic etc.
    Her father who's still the honorary president of the party is known for his holocaust denial views.
     
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    That thing in Austin was remarkable. Two hostile groups, openly armed confronting each other and no massacre occurs. On the one hand that whole situation scares me. On the other it makes me proud. Then you have cops in regular uniform and bike cops, all cool and collected and kudos to those guys for having the guts to stand between the two groups. Overall surreal factor 8/10.
     
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    Sylvain said:
    Well it's hard to compare the two systems.
    I guess you could call Trump a centrist also then? :dunno:
    He used to be a Democrat and he ran as a Republican.So he's kinda in the middle.

    Le Pen is considered far right because her party has always been far right historically.Against immigration (legal or not), anti-semitic, homophobic etc.
    Her father who's still the honorary president of the party is known for his holocaust denial views.
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    Like I said, that's a different matrix than American left/right matrix. Here, the left is anti-Semitic, even though many liberals are Jewish, they suppport Muslims over Israel; they place illegal immigration above the law, and they do embrace all sorts of what would be considered immoral lifestyles in a biblical framework. While a great many conservatives do not support homosexuality, they're not afraid of such people (which is what that word means)...lack of support does not equate to fear and/or hate. I've never heard any conservative lend support to the denial of the Holocaust. It seems Europe's left/right paradigm manifests itself in communist/fascist continuum and people erroneously try to match that up to ours.
     
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    Sylvain said:
    The polls have been very accurate for the first round of the French election.
    Got all 11 candidates in the right order.

    More likely Macron will win with over 60% of the votes.
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    I was wondering what would happen if they roughly split the votes that went to other candidates in the first round? I read a number of stories containing interviews with voters who said they would vote 'blanc', boycott the vote or refuse to vote for the greater good to stop Le Pen (I forget the precise term for it). The votes that acrued to other candidates in the first round are more than enough to decide the issue, especially with some indeterminate fraction voting no one or not voting at all. Forgive my ignorance of your system, can a candidate achieve office with a plurality or must they achieve a majority. If a plurality will do, I think France could be as vulnerable to an election surprise such as Brexit

    I'm not sure how much of a sea-change a Le Pen victory would be, either. Would she have the legislative support to abandon the Euro and pull France out of NATO and the EU? I have to assume your President has quite limited though somewhat formidable powers just as ours does, and she would lack a sizeable contingent of allied or sympathetic politicians already in the system since her party has been fringe until very recently
     
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