Democrats want to Legalize Marijuana

[semperfi211]

The trooper observed criminal indicators. What is that?

 

[rhamersley]

The trooper observed criminal indicators. What is that?

Maybe his front seat looked like…

 

[kBk wz. 1970]

Out of curiosity, when someone is pulled over for impaired driving and they are high but not drunk, how is this prosecuted? Drunk is pretty easy to understand as the breathalyzer gives a number and statutes are written around those numbers. I'm not aware of anything like this for MJ though.

I have a couple friends that grow in CO, (God bless Federalism), and have told me it is prosecuted the same as drunk driving. In fact, if they find a pipe/whatever apparent in the vehicle cab, it’s the same charge as “open container”.

 

[jamil]

Traffic Stop Leads to Discovery of 133 Pounds of Marijuana

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​ ​ INDIANA STATE POLICE PUTNAMVILLE DISTRICT 1927 US 40 West Greencastle, IN 46135 www.in.gov/isp FOR RELEASE: Upon Receipt​ ​ CONTACT: Sgt. Matt Ames Public Information Officer 812-240-0030 DATE: 12-12-21

​ Traffic Stop Leads to Discovery of 133 Pounds of Marijuana ​ Morgan County - Saturday, December 11, 2021, at approximately 4:20 p.m., an Indiana State Trooper observed a GMC Yukon that was following too close to a tractor trailer on I-70 near the 51-mile marker eastbound. The driver of the vehicle was identified as Alvaro Lopez-Chacon, age 39, of Costa Rica. During the course of the traffic stop the trooper observed criminal indicators and requested a canine. Trooper Kyle Hall and his canine Barker, from the ISP Putnamville Post, arrived. Barker indicated an alert on the vehicle. A subsequent search of the vehicle discovered that Lopez-Chacon was transporting 133 pounds of marijuana. Alvaro Lopez-Chacon was taken into custody and transported to the Morgan County Jail. The estimated street value of the marijuana is $300,000. Arrested and Charges: Alvaro Lopez-Chacon, 39, Costa Rica Dealing Marijuana, Level 5 Felony Possession of Marijuana, Class B Misdemeanor Photo 1 - Evidence Collected All criminal defendants are to be presumed innocent until, and unless proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. -30-​ AMES

Barker? Really? I mean. C'mon. couldn't they have come up with a better name than that? I'm glad that as a puppy the dog didn't mount all the other dogs or the article wouldn't be able to refer to the dog by name. Sheesh.

 

[BugI02]

The trooper observed criminal indicators. What is that?

Things like being on the road but unable or unwilling to say what the destination is

Or if more than one person involved, when 'interviewed' separately they give divergent stories

Individuals not owners of the vehicle and unable to give the registered owners information



It can be a long list

 

[dudley0]

So not telling them where you are going is against the law? Sounds like a fishing expedition to me.

Obviously the guy was shady, but it really is none of the officer's business where I am headed or coming from.

Stretching reality away from the obvious criminal in the story, please forgive.

 

[KLB]

So not telling them where you are going is against the law? Sounds like a fishing expedition to me.

Obviously the guy was shady, but it really is none of the officer's business where I am headed or coming from.

Stretching reality away from the obvious criminal in the story, please forgive.

Criminals don't seem to be able to just not talk.

 

[Gabriel]

Indiana Democrats want to legalize medical and recreational marijuana.

Good. They should.

 

[1gunaholic]

Good. They should.

It's likely that they would get the full support of the pot-head governor.

 

[jamil]

So not telling them where you are going is against the law? Sounds like a fishing expedition to me.

Obviously the guy was shady, but it really is none of the officer's business where I am headed or coming from.

Stretching reality away from the obvious criminal in the story, please forgive.

I'd want to hear more details about what the officer actually articulated as reasonable suspicion to do the search. Was it that he tried to dance around where he was going? Or was it that he just refused to say where he was going? If the latter, I don't think that's reasonable suspicion of criminal behavior. If the driver is being evasive and dishonest, maybe a different story.

 

[jamil]

But regardless, if MJ were legal, people would just grow it here instead of having people from Mexico, Central, and South America sneak it across the border.

 

[1gunaholic]

I'd want to hear more details about what the officer actually articulated as reasonable suspicion to do the search. Was it that he tried to dance around where he was going? Or was it that he just refused to say where he was going? If the latter, I don't think that's reasonable suspicion of criminal behavior. If the driver is being evasive and dishonest, maybe a different story.

If/when charges are filed, the probable cause affidavit will be available for anyone to view.

 

[Gabriel]

It's likely that they would get the full support of the pot-head governor.

Good. There's no reason not to support the legalization of something that should never have been illegal.

 

[KLB]

I'd want to hear more details about what the officer actually articulated as reasonable suspicion to do the search. Was it that he tried to dance around where he was going? Or was it that he just refused to say where he was going? If the latter, I don't think that's reasonable suspicion of criminal behavior. If the driver is being evasive and dishonest, maybe a different story.

There are reasons the police try to play 20 questions when they pull people over, and it isn't to be friendly.

"Where are you going?"
Why?

 

[BugI02]

But regardless, if MJ were legal, people would just grow it here instead of having people from Mexico, Central, and South America sneak it across the border.

Come on, jamil

I hope you're not suggesting most people would have a Libertarian Victory Garden planted out back

Most people can't even seem to be bothered to mow the lawn. They'd be having it supplied commercially and that would probably be by Amazon in bed with shady cross border suppliers, and delivered to them by DoorDash. Drill down into what has happened to avocado farming down Mexico way and why

 

[BugI02]

"Where are you going?"
Why?

Because if you say you're headed to Kokomo but you're westbound on I-74 near Crawfordsville, you might be lying

And if your first impulse is to lie to the police, you might be up to something. The important part of 'reasonable suspicion' is the 'suspicion' part

A principled refusal to be interrogated for no reason would play out differently than an attempt to prevaricate. That isn't to say it wouldn't generate LEO suspicion, just that it would be of a different type

 

[KLB]

Because if you say you're headed to Kokomo but you're westbound on I-74 near Crawfordsville, you might be lying

And if your first impulse is to lie to the police, you might be up to something. The important part of 'reasonable suspicion' is the 'suspicion' part

A principled refusal to be interrogated for no reason would play out differently than an attempt to prevaricate. That isn't to say it wouldn't generate LEO suspicion, just that it would be of a different type

I know why they play the game, I just choose not to.

Most criminals do not seem to be that smart.

 

[BugI02]

They're desperately trying to not look like criminals, but they don't know how

A friend of mine who is CPD said that on night patrol, obeying all the traffic laws precisely will attract more suspicion than otherwise. He said normal people, not up to something, go 38 in a 35 or don't completely stop to right turn on red and those who do stand out far more than they think they do

 

[BehindBlueI's]

They're desperately trying to not look like criminals, but they don't know how

A friend of mine who is CPD said that on night patrol, obeying all the traffic laws precisely will attract more suspicion than otherwise. He said normal people, not up to something, go 38 in a 35 or don't completely stop to right turn on red and those who do stand out far more than they think they do

That's why I don't hit the brakes when I see a trooper running radar. That, and by the time I see him if he wants me he already has me. Turns out they never do. I think it's a conspiracy, and one the TSA is in on, to always ignore me.

 

[phylodog]

I think it's a conspiracy, and one the TSA is in on, to always ignore me.

When I carried a badge in my wallet I never once got through security after they noticed the badge until I'd been frisked, wanded and put through malfunctioning teleporter thing-a-ma-jig.

Same thing crossing the border into Canada. If they saw the badge it was gonna be an extra hour at least while they tore the vehicle apart looking for guns and/or ammo.