COVID OMICRON Thread

[mbills2223]

I did this past summer again. I own it. If you are so blinded by your bias to not see sone parallels to the theme of the book, there’s no point in even continuing any conversation with you.

And this is what we call irony.

 

[littletommy]

I did this past summer again. I own it. If you are so blinded by your bias to not see sone parallels to the theme of the book, there’s no point in even continuing any conversation with you.

Yep. The whole shtick is getting old, but hey, what do us illiterate rubes know about anything?

 

[OurDee]

So, it looks like we may be entering into a yearly flu-style shot regimen.

 

[ghuns]

...Harrison Bergeron as another story that seemingly foretells the future. And it's a much shorter read.

Equality ain't all it's cracked up to be.

 

[hoosierdoc]

I appreciate your feedback. I can imagine your "day job" might be rather frustrating in todays world. But the above quote is hard to put faith in. When the CDC claims, "...vaccines reduce deaths by half." or "Chances of death are increased 300% for the unvaccinated." they leave out any context. The data they cite show deaths reduced from two to one. Or the chances of death increase from .004% to .012%. When deciding between an allograft or autograft for my knee reconstruction, the surgeons sales pitch was, "The chance of disease transmission with an allograft may be one in a million. But if it happens to you, it's one hundred percent." I went with the autograft. I guess my point is statistics can be both true and deceptive.

I'm not really following what you're saying. The available vaccines won't stop you from getting COVID.

They are much better at reducing odds of dying if you catch COVID than they are at reducing your chance of catching COVID. Given that fact, mandates are stupid.

At six months JJ vaccine had 13% reduction in risk of you catching COVID. But 75% reduction in death if you did catch it. And those numbers were based on Delta and alpha or whatever. With omicron I'd expect much lower vaccine protection from contracting it and much better reduction in death.

My point is vaccines will not "stop the spread" but they will greatly reduce death.

Here is current data from it health southern region. I found a stat that said 57% of Monroe county is "fully vax" which likely means two mRNA or single JJ. So if you want to say "hospitalized with COVID" rather than "because of COVID" to explain away this chart, hard to do that when statistically the unvax population is smaller than the vax population, so they should be under represented.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Have you actually read Orwell or does it just sound cool to you?

Did you read the quote in the meme, or are you just trying to discredit the message by claiming if they haven’t read the book the relevance to the situation is wrong?

 

[KG1]

Did you read the quote in the meme, or are you just trying to discredit the message by claiming if they haven’t read the book the relevance to the situation is wrong?

It appeared to me he was saying that there is no mention of "vaccinations" in the book, so the quote from the book isn't relevant to the meme.

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

 

[manifest destiny]

I'm not really following what you're saying. The available vaccines won't stop you from getting COVID.

They are much better at reducing odds of dying if you catch COVID than they are at reducing your chance of catching COVID. Given that fact, mandates are stupid.

At six months JJ vaccine had 13% reduction in risk of you catching COVID. But 75% reduction in death if you did catch it. And those numbers were based on Delta and alpha or whatever. With omicron I'd expect much lower vaccine protection from contracting it and much better reduction in death.

My point is vaccines will not "stop the spread" but they will greatly reduce death.

Here is current data from it health southern region. I found a stat that said 57% of Monroe county is "fully vax" which likely means two mRNA or single JJ. So if you want to say "hospitalized with COVID" rather than "because of COVID" to explain away this chart, hard to do that when statistically the unvax population is smaller than the vax population, so they should be under represented.

I was trying to communicate my belief that .gov is playing fast and loose with their data. They omit any context that might undercut their analysis of the data set. They'll claim a 75% reduction in death for the vax'd. What's the baseline? A 75% reduction from what number? The reduction sounds yuuuge. But if the death rate were below 1% to begin, then 75% reduction isn't all that impressive in real terms. Your attached census (thanks btw) is similar. It's real data. It does, in fact, show an overrepresentation of unvax'd. But what if one were to drill into each of those red and white persons, and one discovers that most of the red peeps are over the age 75 and all the white peeps are under 45. That wouldn't change the data set of 16:2 in the ICU. But it would give it context that might matter.

Also, thanks for what you do. All that schooling, training, 20hr workdays... And now you have to operate in the current **** storm. You appear to be operating with a level head and open mind. You must make decisions with what data you do have and you seem to be making those decisions with an even keel. Thank you.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

It appeared to me he was saying that there is no mention of "vaccinations" in the book, so the quote from the book isn't relevant to the meme.

Ya I got that, but a quote can be applied to many different topics, not just the original intention. If a quote is true when applied to a relevant discussion it doesn’t matter what the context of the original quote was intended for, it only matters if it’s factually applied to the topic discussed when used.

 

[jsharmon7]

So if we are discussing 1984, when do we snap and fall in love with Big Brother?

 

[bobzilla]

So if we are discussing 1984, when do we snap and fall in love with Big Brother?

Many already have.

 

[KG1]

Ya I got that, but a quote can be applied to many different topics, not just the original intention. If a quote is true when applied to a relevant discussion it doesn’t matter what the context of the original quote was intended for, it only matters if it’s factually applied to the topic discussed when used.

Yeah. He was pretty insistent that the discussion of vaccines needs to be in the book to be relevant to the meme. What I personally took away from the meme and its relevancy to the quote from the book is that it pertained to the government telling you to always believe what they say and not what your eyes and ears are telling you.

I also think that it can be applied to a number of topics as well like you said.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

So if we are discussing 1984, when do we snap and fall in love with Big Brother?

Some already have.

 

[JettaKnight]

I think some of you got triggered. It really is a great book...you guys should read it sometime!

...and stop applying it to everything you see and don't like.

It's become a tired old trope that the right leans on way to often, similar to the left's Nazism or racism.

 

[JettaKnight]

Some already have.

IKR? a lot people voted for Trump.

 

[mmpsteve]

IKR? a lot people voted for Trump.

IKR?, cause we're in so much better shape without Trump. And the mandatory .

.

 

[Ingomike]

IKR? a lot people voted for Trump.

The Nazi Next Door › American Greatness

Almost half of Democratic voters—48 percent—think the government should be able to fine or imprison individuals “who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media…

amgreatness.com

 

[Hatin Since 87]

IKR? a lot people voted for Trump.

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

So if we are discussing 1984, when do we snap and fall in love with Big Brother?

They are the ones that Kut and run...