Camp Atterbury To Temporarily House Afghan Evacuees

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  • BoltThrower

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    Why are you guys mad these brave men and women who fought shoulder-to-shoulder with our troops, who had the wherewithal to stand up to a centuries old totalitarian regime, who in the end were dying by the thousands instead of our boys, should come to find refuge here?

    As many of the SF community have commented, these translators and allies are often more patriotic and pro-democracy than the average American.

    Shouldn't we be thankful to have that sort of person here?
     

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    Why are you guys mad these brave men and women who fought shoulder-to-shoulder with our troops, who had the wherewithal to stand up to a centuries old totalitarian regime, who in the end were dying by the thousands instead of our boys, should come to find refuge here?

    As many of the SF community have commented, these translators and allies are often more patriotic and pro-democracy than the average American.

    Shouldn't we be thankful to have that sort of person here?

    Absolutely, if you can 100% guarantee that's who we're getting.


     

    miguel

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    Where does Holecum think these people are going to get jobs?

    I mean, I'm sure they are all brain surgeons, oncologists, electrical engineers, etc. But certainly some are going to be lucky to qualify for the "non-essential" jobs Mr. Holecum tried to destroy over the past eighteen months? Maybe they can all be landscapers at Pence's house?
     

    BoltThrower

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    Absolutely, if you can 100% guarantee that's who we're getting.



    Are you saying out military would do a bad job and evacuate the wrong people? Or not vet them once they're in Atterbury?
     

    JTScribe

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    Are you saying out military would do a bad job and evacuate the wrong people? Or not vet them once they're in Atterbury?
    I need to find the source but the SIV “ticket” to get on an evac plane was a document with no unique marks that was e-mailed en masse. Anyone who wanted one was a printer or copy machine away from getting one.
     

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    Why are you guys mad these brave men and women who fought shoulder-to-shoulder with our troops, who had the wherewithal to stand up to a centuries old totalitarian regime, who in the end were dying by the thousands instead of our boys, should come to find refuge here?

    As many of the SF community have commented, these translators and allies are often more patriotic and pro-democracy than the average American.

    Shouldn't we be thankful to have that sort of person here?
    I think anyone who understands geopolitics and the usage of foreign allies in combat has no problem with that. The problem is the pecking order at which the evacuations were made. Under no uncertain terms, the order SHOULD have been:

    1. US civilian families, women and children.

    2. US civilian men (state dept, non-gun toting contractors)

    3. US civilian security contractors

    4. US non-essential military personnel

    5. ANA allies/terps

    6. US airlift personnel/remaining ground security troops

    7. The US JSOC team that just willy petered all the materiel, vehicles, weapons and cash.
     

    BoltThrower

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    Under no uncertain terms, the order SHOULD have been:

    How do we know this isn't the order, or a near-facsimile based on reasonable opportunity and logistics?

    Seems like a lot of speculation on the part of this forum.

    Afghans laid down their lives in the tens of thousands in the final years of the war, with Americans not losing a single life in the later stages.

    It's just 5,000 people. Certainly a small component of the Afghan military that proudly fought shoulder to shoulder with our men and women. Should we deny them entry and safe haven because a handful of people were unable to get to the airport in the initial airlifts? Are we that callous that we would leave our allies to die while we concern ourselves with exclusively "our own" people?

    Why are we throwing a fit that Afghan heroes are escaping certain death? Because it vaguely inconveniences us?
     

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    At Atterbury. Potentially many thousands more across the country. I get what you're saying about the ones that helped us, but I just don't have a lot of confidence in the vetting process.
    Especially when the taliban was controlling the outside of the airport. Call me skeptical, but I’m betting they did a little vetting of their own.
     

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    How do we know this isn't the order, or a near-facsimile based on reasonable opportunity and logistics?

    Because there are literally still Americans on the ground, left by their government to die in a hostile country, the very government that they were serving

    Seems like a lot of speculation on the part of this forum.

    Afghans laid down their lives in the tens of thousands in the final years of the war, with Americans not losing a single life in the later stages.

    It's just 5,000 people. Certainly a small component of the Afghan military that proudly fought shoulder to shoulder with our men and women. Should we deny them entry and safe haven because a handful of people were unable to get to the airport in the initial airlifts? Are we that callous that we would leave our allies to die while we concern ourselves with exclusively "our own" people?

    Undeniably - yes. They are our citizens and it was the responsibility of the government they served to get them out. While I feel for the Afghan allies, their job was to stay and build their own government. It was not our job to get them out and give them asylum, literally OVER the dead bodies of our citizens and servicemen.

    They knew the risks, and they gave up and fled. Anyone know how many of the other military allies (Britain, France, etc.) evacuated Afghan asylees?

    Exactly

    Why are we throwing a fit that Afghan heroes are escaping certain death? Because it vaguely inconveniences us?

    No one is throwing a fit about the situation, we just recognize it for what it is. Our government once again acting unilaterally and without care of it’s own citizens in service of the global hegemony, all on the backs of the taxpayer, with detrimental effects to be had on those taxpayers in the form of increased taxes, crowding of cities, cultural clashes and increased crime.
     

    KellyinAvon

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    I was out on 70 this afternoon and saw a C-130 coming in for a landing at the airport. Probably to handle more aircraft and truck cargo the rest of the way.
     

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    Are you saying out military would do a bad job and evacuate the wrong people? Or not vet them once they're in Atterbury?
    One hundred percent. Our military and the State Department are the opposite of competent and there is ample photographic evidence that who got on the plane in Kabul was primarily determined by one's ability to climb over other people.
     

    KellyinAvon

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    San Bernardino terrorist Tashfeen Malik was vetted by the State Department and had a Green Card. Nearly six years ago, but I still remember the excuse making for people not doing their damn job. Basically well, that job sucks and no one does it really well.

    Just think, whoever vetted the terrorist responsible for 14 deaths (her and her husband killed the people who had thrown them a baby shower; then planted explosives to kill first responders) is probably a supervisor now.
     
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