Beer Virus V

[dusty88]

The most recent "In the Bubble" podcast where Slavitt interviews Michael Osterholm about the Delta variant is highly informative.

 

[dusty88]

Hey, Chip,

Since my question bears tangentially on your post, I hope you'll tolerate a small (for me) sidetrack

What do you make of (was it Fauci?) the statement that the viral prevalence in the the nasopharynx of Delta breakthrough infections is the same as that of unvaccinated people

Is this a valid comparison, indicating that the two viral loads are equivalent, or is it that as the common first entry point to the body for the infection it would harbor an elevated viral prevalence regardless of how effective the immune response is, because it would be cleared last

I'm obviously not Chip but I will have a go at it

I'm not an immunologist or virologist, but study vaccine effectiveness often when making decisions for patients or herds.

You shouldn't pick up a big viral load at the point of entry of a disease. You can theoretically get a very sensitive test like some PCR tests to pick up viral particles that entered from another infected individual. But they weren't finding high viral loads in vaccinated individuals very often, until the more recent mutations.

Previous studies were showing transmission of SARSCov2 from vaccinated individuals was 50-70% less than from unvaccinated individuals.

The current mutation (that everyone is calling Delta variant) is just so much more contagious that it likely manages to replicate itself rapidly before the immune system can shut it down. There is data that vaccinated people are not contagious quite as long as the unvaccinated. But for all practical purposes, vaccinated people are currently able to fully participate in spreading Covid.

This epidemiologist gives a little more detail in her blog. https://yourlocalepidemiologist.sub...N_OAWub7fBHVMH27HmL-1sQBNgtYbWWn5X6hBHNIG_Mzk

 

[jamil]

Please tell this to the power hungry politicians who want to return to mask mandates and lockdowns purely over a rise in total number of cases.

Yeah, the death rate has been remarkably low, and of course, primarily in older people with the usual preexisting health issues. It certainly does not justify the knee jerk reaction authorities are having.

 

[chipbennett]

Please tell this to the power hungry politicians who want to return to mask mandates and lockdowns purely over a rise in total number of cases.

Sadly, I have no control over them. Even more sadly, what many of us have expressed concern about, regarding the use of fear to enact public policy that infringes upon individual liberty, continues to come true.

 

[chipbennett]

Hey, Chip,

Since my question bears tangentially on your post, I hope you'll tolerate a small (for me) sidetrack

What do you make of (was it Fauci?) the statement that the viral prevalence in the the nasopharynx of Delta breakthrough infections is the same as that of unvaccinated people

Is this a valid comparison, indicating that the two viral loads are equivalent, or is it that as the common first entry point to the body for the infection it would harbor an elevated viral prevalence regardless of how effective the immune response is, because it would be cleared last

I pay no attention to anything Fauci says, so I'm out of the loop. But the only "study" I've seen on vaccine breakthrough infections is pretty much worthless - too small of a sample size to be of any value, and, IIRC, based on a vaccine not even in use under US EULAs. So, I'm not sure - and your question really gets well outside my area of expertise/understanding. Related question: does Fauci discuss the relative viral load of Delta infections as compared to prior variants? (And how does he do that, considering that, as far as I know, we have no analytical methods to differentiate among variants/isolate the Delta variant?)

 

[1DOWN4UP]

It was " lockdown " to " essential / non-essential "to"flatten the curve" to " no mask to yes mask" to " vax will make you immune " to "the most vulnerable " to " half the population " to " herd immunity " to " no Vax idiots" to" no trust Trump vax" back to "no VAx idiots" to "reopen borders" to " illegals carry covid, plant them thru out the country " to" new variants " to " vaxed getting covid" to " if vaxed ,not as deadly" to " vaxed creating new variant" to " no vaxed are idiots" to " face masks" to " lockdown" to..................

 

[1DOWN4UP]

18 percent of migrant families leaving Border Patrol custody positive for Covid

In addition, over 25 percent of migrants recently scheduled for some “expedited” deportation flights tested positive, says a document obtained by NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

How can we have a Pandemic if we solve the Pandemic?

 

[BugI02]

I pay no attention to anything Fauci says, so I'm out of the loop. But the only "study" I've seen on vaccine breakthrough infections is pretty much worthless - too small of a sample size to be of any value, and, IIRC, based on a vaccine not even in use under US EULAs. So, I'm not sure - and your question really gets well outside my area of expertise/understanding. Related question: does Fauci discuss the relative viral load of Delta infections as compared to prior variants? (And how does he do that, considering that, as far as I know, we have no analytical methods to differentiate among variants/isolate the Delta variant?)

That gets at what I was wondering; whether the viral load , as measured in the nasopharynx for any variant, would be the same and the datum was used in the most breathless, hype-inducing way possible. The only way I know to reliably determine variant identity is to isolate and sequence a viral sample, which isn't happening at the doctors office

 

[nonobaddog]

That gets at what I was wondering; whether the viral load , as measured in the nasopharynx for any variant, would be the same and the datum was used in the most breathless, hype-inducing way possible. The only way I know to reliably determine variant identity is to isolate and sequence a viral sample, which isn't happening at the doctors office

If it is a PCR (nasal swab) test it can be selected randomly and sent to a lab at CDC, state health department or a private lab to determine the variant. Then they extrapolate this percent of each variant to obtain an estimate of the variant's popularity.

 

[Ark]

It was " lockdown " to " essential / non-essential "to"flatten the curve" to " no mask to yes mask" to " vax will make you immune " to "the most vulnerable " to " half the population " to " herd immunity " to " no Vax idiots" to" no trust Trump vax" back to "no VAx idiots" to "reopen borders" to " illegals carry covid, plant them thru out the country " to" new variants " to " vaxed getting covid" to " if vaxed ,not as deadly" to " vaxed creating new variant" to " no vaxed are idiots" to " face masks" to " lockdown" to.................. View attachment 151801

If people were told to get into boxcars and go to virus camp, 40% of the population would grab baseball bats, put on armbands, and help force their neighbors into the cars.

That's what I've learned the past year.

 

[actaeon277]

Only a small affair for "close" friends and family.
Private jets and helicopters. (A jab about them being worried about the climate)

What was that line? Rules for ...

 

[ljk]

 

[Mikey1911]

If people were told to get into boxcars and go to virus camp, 40% of the population would grab baseball bats, put on armbands, and help force their neighbors into the cars.

That's what I've learned the past year.

And about 5% of the population would be volunteering to join the “Blue Guards”, who would provide them with select-fire weapons with which to provide “security” at the loading points.

 

[jsx1043]

This is where we are now.

 

[actaeon277]

This is where we are now.

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Why would they need to shoot us?
Aren't we all supposed to be dead by now?

 

[jamil]

I pay no attention to anything Fauci says, so I'm out of the loop. But the only "study" I've seen on vaccine breakthrough infections is pretty much worthless - too small of a sample size to be of any value, and, IIRC, based on a vaccine not even in use under US EULAs. So, I'm not sure - and your question really gets well outside my area of expertise/understanding. Related question: does Fauci discuss the relative viral load of Delta infections as compared to prior variants? (And how does he do that, considering that, as far as I know, we have no analytical methods to differentiate among variants/isolate the Delta variant?)

Edit: Nevermind, my question was answered downthread from this.

 

[jsx1043]

Why would they need to shoot us?
Aren't we all supposed to be dead by now?

Hahaha, right? More so an observation as to how far divided we have become as a nation. It's disheartening, nearly depressing, to see how far we have gone down the drain, and how quickly it is happening. I really try to be objective and use vast amounts of credible, verifiable information to gauge just how the Matrix is running, and every day it gets harder and harder.

As they say, "history doesn't repeat, but it rhymes."

"It's just a mask."
"It's just six feet."
"It's just two weeks."
"It's just non-essential businesses."
"It's just non-essential workers."
"It's just a bar."
"It's just a restaurant."
"It's just to keep from overwhelming the hospitals."
"It's just to make the cases go down."
"It's just to flatten the curve."
"It's just a few inmates."
"It's just to keep others from getting scared."
"It's just for a few more weeks."
"It's just church, you could still pray."
"It's just a bracelet."
"It's just an app."
"It's just for tracing."
"It's just to let others know you're safe to be around."
"It's just to let others know who you've been in contact with."
"It's just a few more months."
"It's just a large gathering but for protests."
"It's just a few violent protests."
"It's just a vaccine."
"It's just a blood test."
"It's just a scan."
"It's just for medical information."
"It's just a vaccination certificate."
"It's just like a credit card."
"It's just a few places that don't take cash."
"It's just so you can travel."
"It's just so you can get your driver's license."
"It's just so you can vote."
"It's just a few more years."

 

[JCSR]

 

[Methane Herder]

Jeopardy:
99 bottles of beer on the wall.
What is a good start, Alex?
MH

 

[foszoe]

Thousands of protesters pack Paris streets in defiance of COVID-19 vaccine passport: 'Our freedoms are dying'

The demonstrations came two days after France’s Constitutional Council upheld most provisions of a new law that expands the locations where health passes are needed to enter.

www.foxnews.com

Sometimes I wish we were more like the French.