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[SheepDog4Life]

If there are constitutional grounds to do so, such as a state conducting an election not as the legislature prescribed...

That would be up to the state, would it not?

Didn't EVERY state certify their slate of electors according to each state's laws?

and there are competing slates of electors, yes they can.

So, if Biden looses in 2024... make fraudulent competing slates of electors... Harris throws out any states the Republican won with a fraudulent competing Dem slate, as many as necessary, and presto-chango Biden is re-elected.

THAT is exactly what the Eastman memo said... and what Trump wanted Pence to do.

ANTI-Constitutional.

 

[Ingomike]

Some are more comfortable watching the theft of our democratic republic than others are…

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Some are comfortable with ANTI-Constitutional measures for Trump to seize (remain in) power.

I'm decidedly NOT one of them... and that he tried to do so, is DISQUALIFYING, IMO.

 

[Ingomike]

Some are comfortable with ANTI-Constitutional measures for Trump to seize (remain in) power.

I'm decidedly NOT one of them... and that he tried to do so, is DISQUALIFYING, IMO.

That you are constantly railing on this J6 bit but never speak out about the unconstitutional election theft told me exactly what you are comfortable with…

 

[manifest destiny]

According to the rules played by in the 2020 election, nobody qualifies for standing to challenge an election fraught with suspicious circumstances. What was the total? 18? 20 states that sued 5 or 6 other states claiming illegal voting and fraud in the election? Another 140+ in congress made the same claims regarding fraud in the election, some from the states in dispute. Something was wrong with the election and needed addressed. Pence didn't have the balls to even ask for clarification on the duplicate electors. I'm not a scholar on constitutional conflict resolution but I can identify conflict that needs examination, arbitration and verification. Anyway, if one claims Trump lost the 2020 election fairly, one neccessarily claims the election results were true, accurate and verifiable and that's a hard sell to anyone with an iota of reasonable discern.

 

[BugI02]

Yup, because if he did then every single VP would have had the right in every single Presidential election to throw out any and all states he/she decided to... it just isn't a thing and never has been.

This is facile, you are in effect postulating that there was no evidence to support Pence's possible refusal to certify

The failure of the states in question to adhere to their own election regulations, as well as changes made to those regulations by non-legislative means under the guise of the covid 'emergency' would be reason enough to not certify as far as I'm concerned. I think the alternate slates of electors was a bit optimistic, but not certifying could certainly have thrown the election back to congress which would have been an improvement. There is not enough time between election day week month to allow for a court challenge (even if a better and more focused one than Trump mounted) to meaningfully deal with issues raised and few if any courts would be comfortable delaying the transfer of power, something the Democrats clearly counted on to enable their fraud

IMO they will keep doing this sort of thing until they are forced to stop, if they feel like they might lose that would only make the next 'plandemic' even more inevitable

 

[SheepDog4Life]

That you are constantly railing on this J6 bit but never speak out about the unconstitutional election theft told me exactly what you are comfortable with…

What I'm NOT comfortable with is Trump taking a massive **** on the Constitution in his desperate attempt to cling to power... and demanding that Pence do likewise.

THAT's a deal-breaking for me.

 

[BugI02]

So are you asserting that EVERY SINGLE Vice President has had the power to arbitrarily throw out any and all state certified electors they wanted to?

And that it's in the Consitution/Amendments that they had the right to "de-certify" state electors vs simple preside over "counting" them?

Show your work... it ain't there, never has been.

What part of the meaning of 'certify' is giving you the most trouble? It is NOT a synonym for 'rubber stamp'

cer·ti·fy
verb
attest or confirm in a formal statement.

officially recognize (someone or something) as possessing certain qualifications or meeting certain standards.

 

[manifest destiny]

What I'm NOT comfortable with is Trump taking a massive **** on the Constitution

But isn't election fraud also taking a big **** on the constitution? Trump wasn't alone is claiming the election had manipulated results.

 

[jamil]

There is always an easy road. Straight is the gate, and narrow the way and few that will follow.

And stupid is the path that tries to overturn an election with idiotic legal tricks because he thought he was cheated. If that trick is legit, why would any administration ever concede a lost election. Just have your veep switch the electors to yours. Show me in the constitution where the veep has that power?

 

[Ingomike]

That you are constantly railing on this J6 bit but never speak out about the unconstitutional election theft told me exactly what you are comfortable with…

But isn't election fraud also taking a big **** on the constitution? Trump wasn't alone is claiming the election had manipulated results.

That is of little concern to SD4L…

 

[Ingomike]

And stupid is the path that tries to overturn an election with idiotic legal tricks because he thought he was cheated. If that trick is legit, why would any administration ever concede a lost election. Just have your veep switch the electors to yours. Show me in the constitution where the veep has that power?

Apparently it is not unconstitutional or the uniparty would not believe it necessary to try to make the role “ceremonial“.

Bipartisan bill would clarify that VP role with electors is only ceremonial - Roll Call

A bipartisan Senate group is expected to release a bill soon that clarifies a vice president's role in certifying ballots will be ceremonial.

rollcall.com

 

[Ingomike]

What part of the meaning of 'certify' is giving you the most trouble? It is NOT a synonym for 'rubber stamp'

cer·ti·fy
verb
attest or confirm in a formal statement.

officially recognize (someone or something) as possessing certain qualifications or meeting certain standards.

They are trying to make it a rubber stamp…

Bipartisan bill would clarify that VP role with electors is only ceremonial - Roll Call

A bipartisan Senate group is expected to release a bill soon that clarifies a vice president's role in certifying ballots will be ceremonial.

rollcall.com

 

[jamil]

If there are constitutional grounds to do so, such as a state conducting an election not as the legislature prescribed and there are competing slates of electors, yes they can.

I'm not seeing a chapter and verse here. I expected to see you quote the article/section/amendment where the constitution gives this authority to the Vice President. I was hoping you would because my copy seems to be missing that.

 

[manifest destiny]

That is of little concern to SD4L…

In fairness he's allowed his opinion. I just can't complete the circle he and others make when stating Trump lost the election. It would require a belief in the security and integrity in the election and the 2020 election was anything but. Also, Pence is the only one claiming Trump "demanded he overturn" the election. I'd be curious if that is a quote from Trump or a paraphrase from Pence. And is it really ****ing on the Const. to ask for something that isnt allowed if, in fact, that which was asked for never occurred?

 

[jamil]

Apparently it is not unconstitutional or the uniparty would not believe it necessary to try to make the role “ceremonial“.

Bipartisan bill would clarify that VP role with electors is only ceremonial - Roll Call

A bipartisan Senate group is expected to release a bill soon that clarifies a vice president's role in certifying ballots will be ceremonial.

rollcall.com

Bad logic. A bill clarifying the veep's role does not have anything to do with whether or not he has sufficient power to change anything relating to electors.

As the President of the Senate, the constitution does not grant the VPOTUS the authority to certify anything. The elector's balots are already signed, certified and sealed. But, the constitution does say that the certified elector's votes will be sent to the President of the Senate (VPOTUS), who will count the votes in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives. So. I don't know if that's exactly ceremonial. But the VPOTUS has no power to certify jack ****.

 

[jamil]

What part of the meaning of 'certify' is giving you the most trouble? It is NOT a synonym for 'rubber stamp'

cer·ti·fy
verb
attest or confirm in a formal statement.

officially recognize (someone or something) as possessing certain qualifications or meeting certain standards.

How many usages of any form of "certify" in the US constitution pertain to the Vice President having the authority to do what Trump asked Pence to do?

 

[jamil]

But isn't election fraud also taking a big **** on the constitution? Trump wasn't alone is claiming the election had manipulated results.

Do to ****’s make something constitutional?

 

[manifest destiny]

Do to ****’s make something constitutional?

Two *s making something constitutional isn't my claim. Also, there exists a lively debate among Const. scholars as to the exact nature of the VP's role in certification as well as any allowances afforded to him to deviate from prior VP practices. One item in particular that even the anti-orange scholars have mentioned is the ability to send the disputed votes back to the states for verification. The states can simply attest to the certainty of the correct electors, send it back to the VP and be done with it. Pence, who claimed to believe in the need for election integrity assurances (Pence expressed concern about “the integrity of the 2020 election,” citing “significant” and “troubling” voting irregularities in an op-ed for the conservative publication Daily Signal.) didn't even ask for reassurance - from anyone. And did Trump really say, "Mike Pence, I want you to overturn the election!" ? (As Pence claims...) Or did Trump say, "Mike Pence, I demand you fight for obtaining the correct electors!" I don't know; neither do you. I believe interpretation of any edict from Trump to Pence is subject interpretation. I interpret Mike Pence's claims to be self-serving.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

According to the rules played by in the 2020 election, nobody qualifies for standing to challenge an election fraught with suspicious circumstances. What was the total? 18? 20 states that sued 5 or 6 other states claiming illegal voting and fraud in the election? Another 140+ in congress made the same claims regarding fraud in the election, some from the states in dispute. Something was wrong with the election and needed addressed. Pence didn't have the balls to even ask for clarification on the duplicate electors. I'm not a scholar on constitutional conflict resolution but I can identify conflict that needs examination, arbitration and verification. Anyway, if one claims Trump lost the 2020 election fairly, one neccessarily claims the election results were true, accurate and verifiable and that's a hard sell to anyone with an iota of reasonable discern.

Which state certified for Biden did Trump actually win and by how much?

Which factual claim did Trump assert in any court that was not investigated?

But isn't election fraud also taking a big **** on the constitution?

Sure would be, if it happened.

But what Trump claims on Truth Social (or previously on Twitter) and what he files in court are two VASTLY different things.

I've looked at everything I could about the "stolen election" claims, back in Dec-Jan-Feb of 2020 when I wanted those claims to be true. They were not... not one shred of proof that it happened.

My verdict between what he says/posts versus files in court... he's spouting a bunch of lies he knows are false. JMO.

Trump wasn't alone is claiming the election had manipulated results.

So? That does make his assertions true.

Please name one state that was "stolen" from Trump and what the proof is? Hit me with your best shot!