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    Ingomike

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    There is nothing about Trump to suggest he is a racist or supports any racism. If there was, it would have surfaced by now. The deranged have been digging for dirt on Trump for 7+ years. All they have is that, literally, in a men's locker room he said to grab women by the P**** and his super model wife posed for a nude photo shoot years ago.

    The rest of the accusations are baseless or ad hominem attacks.
    A logical thinking person can see this, logically he has to be almost squeaky clean or they would have hung him with it.
     

    BugI02

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    You have your choice and that's fine. Are not others entitled to their choice without being labeled as "weird" or "deraigned" because they may not be as enthusiastic about Trump as you think they should be? What exactly do you mean by "showing their true colors"? Is it because they don't follow everything that you do, or Trump does without question when there are things that are questionable about Trump in the opinion of others?

    They are saying Trump is not infallible.
    IMO people should just let things be settled by the primaries instead of expecting Trump to just step aside. If he has so many flaws he should be easy to beat, yes? What are they afraid of?

    IMO as well, people looking for a savior in DeSantis or The Senate are looking in the wrong place
     

    KG1

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    IMO people should just let things be settled by the primaries instead of expecting Trump to just step aside. If he has so many flaws he should be easy to beat, yes? What are they afraid of?

    IMO as well, people looking for a savior in DeSantis or The Senate are looking in the wrong place
    I'm all for that. I think you'll find in my quote that it's all about one's individual choice of which they are entitled to. IYO and IMO.
     

    LeftyGunner

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    Look, I'm pro-Israel, and I don't think Jews killed Jesus (he was a Jew). I'm just trying to understand your hatred for Trump, when he arguably improved relations with Israel, while the left courts favor with the people that want to wipe you off the face of the map. I just can't reconcile that in my head.

    I don’t hate Trump, I just don’t take him seriously…I just can’t.

    I lived with my mom, but my dads side of the family lived in Manhattan when I was growing up…old money. I have cousins who were classmates with Trump‘s kids…odds are good that I’ve been in the same room with them myself at some point.

    Dad’s side thinks Fred Trump was a mobbed-up slumlord, and that Donald is a social-climbing phony...a silver-spooned moron who couldn‘t keep a job at a used car lot without his fathers‘ influence. They were born into the status Donald Trump has desperately craved his entire life, and they see him as a rube...and so do I.

    Literally every member of dad’s congregation I have met are active democrats...the idea that Trump’s pandering to Zionist hardliners gained him an ounce of favor among American Jews is laughable.
     

    ditcherman

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    Literally every member of dad’s congregation I have met are active democrats...
    Not that I would ever want to derail a thread…but that is a fascinating thing to me, why the Jewish in general support D’s so strongly. It just makes no sense, at least as an outsider looking in, just another rube in flyover country…
     

    LeftyGunner

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    Not that I would ever want to derail a thread…but that is a fascinating thing to me, why the Jewish in general support D’s so strongly. It just makes no sense, at least as an outsider looking in, just another rube in flyover country…

    I can’t say for sure, my dad didn‘t see eye-to-eye with his family, and left NYC as a teenager. I got to know his family in group settings, and never really spoke with them one-on-one in-depth about politics...as far as I know they are Democrats because that’s what they have always been.

    I grew up with my moms side of the family, who settled near Buffalo. They were anything but wealthy. They were life-long union, and life-long democrat.

    And please…I am not calling you or anyone else here a rube, I choose to live in Indiana, and I love it here.

    Edit to add:

    I, myself, have no such allegiance to the democrats. My first election was 1992, and I couldn’t wait to vote for President Bush’s second term.

    I voted R in 1996, and again in 2000.

    I couldn’t bring myself to vote for either candidate in 2004.

    I voted for Obama twice, but was really ready to move on from his style of governance in 2016…but Hillary.

    When the Rs ran Trump in 2016 I had to bow out…I couldn’t pull the lever for him or Clinton, but after Trump actually won I made sure to hold my nose and vote D for the big job in 2020, but went almost straight red down ticket.

    It wasn’t until Jan 6 that I pulled all my support from the Rs, and they won’t have a shot at getting it back till they dump Trump.
     
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    Ingomike

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    Not that I would ever want to derail a thread…but that is a fascinating thing to me, why the Jewish in general support D’s so strongly. It just makes no sense, at least as an outsider looking in, just another rube in flyover country…
    IDK, but I asked that very question of a seeming knowledgeable political historian and his answer simplified was, they fear evangelical Christians more than muslims…
     

    GodFearinGunTotin

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    Oh darnit! I was thinking about getting the whole set. Looks like I waited too long. :(

    Here you go…no charge!

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    Twangbanger

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    IDK, but I asked that very question of a seeming knowledgeable political historian and his answer simplified was, they fear evangelical Christians more than muslims…
    It's no different than Christians who fear nonbelievers more than Muslims.

    It's not hard for me to understand that some Jews don't care that much about Israel. Although I'm not Jewish, I suspect many people of that faith just don't feel a strong attachment to a set of political borders established by UN fiat. And that's what people are talking about, when they say "supporting Israel." They aren't talking about the ancient holy sites. That's something different, so don't sell me that. They're talking about Democrat vs. Republican and Congressional votes and such. The bordered political entity of Israel. The part created by fiat by a world political body. Support for that political entity is what Democrats and Republicans vote about in Congress. Not the ancient holy sites, because American politicians have no control over that part. But they do have control over how many weapons we sell them.

    That fiat-fabricated political entity is the part some Jews don't care that much about. Deal with it. Their views are not required to make sense to you. They see the holy sites as entirely separable from a fiat-created political entity. The fact that doesn't "make sense" to binary-minded American Christians is mildly interesting but irrelevant.
     
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