So how do you explain the wins I posted and see the balotpedia link of winners also? Oh, just hand picking the races to complain about Trump…
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Winning would be having control of the Senate. Trump endorsees won in districts where Republicans were expected to win. It was always the swing districts that matter most because those are the districts where it’s possible to win. In those districts Democrats were able to pin Trump to the challengers and so his endorsement was a liability.
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Not the topic. Trump endorsements is…
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Trump candidate loses, it's because of Trump. Trump candidate wins, it's because they were suppose to anyway. It's as if the Orange man can be all things all at once. Bad when one wants to paint him bad. No good when one wants to deny his accomplishments. I'm surprised how many people think endorsements even matter to the average voter. It's hard for me to think a voter says, 'I was gonna vote for Hobbs, but Trump endorsed Lake. I must now vote for Lake'. Another voter says, 'I was gonna vote for Lake, but she's endorsed by Trump. No way in hell I'm gonna vote for Lake now.' Then again, people voted for the O' Great One because he was going to pay their mortgage from his stash! Oh, and that snazzy new phone he handed out to voters.
All powerful? Nope.
Can heavily sway a primary with his Trump Fan Boi's and Gurl's.
You betcha... though some of his whack-a-doo's lost, thankfully, in the primaries.
Yup... pretty simple... he can, or at least previously could, bring enough influence to push through a primary winner.
In the general election, in all but the deepest red states and districts, he's a loser.
It's why no red wave appeared and we lost the Senate. Bigly.
You’re leaving some stuff out trying to prove Mike’s heads I win; tails you lose model.
In red states the Republican was going to win. Trump’s effect on that was in the primary ensuring that an America first candidate would win. So those are wins. But not wins that contribute to taking over the senate because Republicans would have won there anyway.
In contested races Democrats helped the Trump endorsed candidates win in the primaries because they could rally anti-Trump sentiment into votes against. That seemed to work out they way they wanted.
That’s not heads I win, tails you lose. Trump’s endorsement got the primary candidates to win. And in some red states pro-American candidates are in instead of RINOS. That’s not nothing, but it’s also not controlling the senate. Trump’s endorsement turned out to be a liability in those contested races. That’s all we’ve said.
There was a red wave. But Republicans underperformed in contested races. So the net affect is Republicans took over the House. And they’re now down 49-51 in the Senate. Was 50-50. Not bigly. But it’s a loss. And might not have been had Trump distanced himself from the contested races.
manifest destiny
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Cake. One can have it or one can eat it. One cannot have it and eat it too. Either Trump is the great orange persuader or he is not. His success numbers, evidenced above, are what they are - highly successful. In fact, over the four year period, his success average has risen.
Notice like in Fetterman’s case democrats will vote for any democrat with a pulse. Republicans more so won’t. Maybe that’s because Democrats see the fruits of putting their team in power and so they keeping voting blue no matter who. Republicans on the other hand, are tired of getting stabbed in the back by their team so they’re more prone to not vote for the brain damaged candidates their party foists on them.
The GOP hates you.
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I feel like I'm the only one not using categorical absolutes. "They were gonna win that race anyway!" One can believe such, one cannot possibly know such. His endorsement success rate stands on its own. He wins more than he loses. I personally don't think endorsements, from any person, carry much weight. If they did, isn't it possible that Hobbs won because Biden endorsed her? For each candidate that won with a Trump endorsement, isn't it possible the other candidate lost because Biden endorsed him/her? You seem pretty level headed. I think you'll understand what I'm trying to communicate. Those on here blinded by orange rage will continue to doubt any possibilities outside of "Trump lost".
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You're missing the point. It's not that somebody says "I was gonna vote for Lake/Walker/Oz, but Trump endorsed them, so now I'm not."
It's the following:
"I'm really not that enthused about the election...but that son of a b!tch who said my ancestors were from sh!thole countries endorsed Bob Johnson, so I'ma get mah mail ballot and vote for whoever is against him, an' tell my mother, aunt, and brother to do it also because I don't like people talkin' about mah peepul that way."
Some Trump Fanboi Syndrome folks seem to think the opposition to him is all fabricated by the media, or something. It's not.
For example: when I read Barack Obama's comment about the Constitution being a "charter of negative liberties," I thought "somebody needs to punch that f.cking punk straight in the mouth...I will vote against him no matter what." Because I could see he was a piece of sh!t commie who didn't believe in true freedom or limited government, and I did not need any "alt-media" source to radicalize me and gin me up to despise that. I was fully capable of reaching the conclusion on my own, no spin needed.
What TFS'ers miss is that Trump has that same effect on the other side. It's not just ginned up by the media. It's real and it's personal. People who go to churches with female pastors hate Trump. They don't need media to tell them they despise him. He had them at "Sh!thole."
And this is a guy who only won one time, when nobody saw it coming, by flipping 3 blue states with about 80,000 measly votes between them. And 2 out of those 3 states subsequently made "corrupt pandemic mail voting" permanent in their laws and state Constitutions, so no GOP candidate is ever winning those states again.
So given what you've seen the past 3 elections, what is the path for Trump to get back to the number of electoral votes he got in 2016? Given the fact that the country now sees him coming a mile away, he has lost the element of surprise, and TPTB are damn and I mean damn good and ready to cream him this time?
What is the path to victory? Hope to get close enough so the Federal courts will "give it to him?"
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Heads they win tails we lose. That simple…
Who are these "Trump candidates" that won? Only JD Vance comes to mind.
Which House or Senate candidates did Trump back a different "horse" than McConnell or McCarthy and the Trump candidate won the Primary AND then the General election?
Running out in front of a parade already in progress doesn't make you the Grand Marshall.
Trump got out prior to the primaries and bucked the "establishment" in a number of races.
His candidates that he pushed through the primaries over "establishment types" in light pink or purple states/districts overwhelming LOST!
Not so much an under performance as they did not achieve red wave the media said was coming...
Is that not exactly what INGO craves, bucking the establishment candidates?
Except when orange man bad...
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