Changes at FNC- it's about time. :-)

[Ingomike]

could it be that you skipped this part?

Nope, not at all. What did judge Berman say again?

“The most relevant is that a president's discretion on what are personal vs. official records is far-reaching and solely his, as is his ability to declassify or destroy records at will.”

At will means he can declassify any way he wishes…

 

[bwframe]

Jeez people! Back on track...

Fox News’s Tucker Carlson speaks at Hells Angels president’s funeral

Host speaks at funeral of Ralph ‘Sonny’ Barger, leader of the group considered by the DoJ to be linked to organised crime

www.theguardian.com

 

[NoSaintJoe]

Nope, not at all. What did judge Berman say again?

“The most relevant is that a president's discretion on what are personal vs. official records is far-reaching and solely his, as is his ability to declassify or destroy records at will.”

At will means he can declassify any way he wishes…

Yup, you skipped it.
“during the Presidential term”

but, for the sake of ignorance. Let’s say that trump declassified everything by thought.
Can Biden reclassify by thinking about it?Can Biden classify Hunters laptop by waving his hand and saying “claassssiffyyyyy”

then it would fall under….

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of...

www.archives.gov

• Establishes public ownership of all Presidential records and defines the term Presidential records.

 

[Ingomike]

Yup, you skipped it.
“during the Presidential term”

but, for the sake of ignorance. Let’s say that trump declassified everything by thought.
Can Biden reclassify by thinking about it?Can Biden classify Hunters laptop by waving his hand and saying “claassssiffyyyyy”

then it would fall under….https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

• Establishes public ownership of all Presidential records and defines the term Presidential records.

I w I l l t y p e s l o w l y, PRA does not affect a Presidents autonomy. Once he declassifies the materials he fan keep them forever. He also can destroy them if he chooses. He can declare them personal. No one can dictate to a President how to declassify. The bottom line is we have to trust the President when he says he declassified something and we always have until Trump.

As for Hunters laptop, that doesn’t belong to the WH and administration as best I know.

 

[NoSaintJoe]

I w I l l t y p e s l o w l y, PRA does not affect a Presidents autonomy. Once he declassifies the materials he fan keep them forever. He also can destroy them if he chooses. He can declare them personal. No one can dictate to a President how to declassify. The bottom line is we have to trust the President when he says he declassified something and we always have until Trump.

As for Hunters laptop, that doesn’t belong to the WH and administration as best I know.

Type slowly, but think faster.

the PRA says nothing about classified documents. Classified or not, they are the property of the people.
He still can’t have them.
from the PRA.

• Establishes public ownership of…..all…….Presidential records and defines the term Presidential records.

but keep banging that drum, it may sound right eventually.

And don’t skip over this part…
“defines the term Presidential records”

it’s not up to him, the Act defines Presidential records.
He doesn’t have the autonomy to determine what records are Presidential.

edited to add this part, from the act….

• Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.

just in case that may come up.

 

[KLB]

From what I can see, being classified means little to nothing in this regard.

From the article I posted

What is the classification system?​

It is the administrative process by which the federal government controls how executive branch officials handle information whose potential public exposure is deemed likely to damage national security.

Officials with the authority to classify or declassify matters can deem information as falling into three categories: confidential, secret or top secret. Access to particularly sensitive information can be restricted even further with a designation of S.C.I., for sensitive compartmented information.

If information is classified, access to it is restricted. Any documents containing that information are supposed to be marked, and only officials with proper security clearances — and a “need to know” — are permitted to see them or be told of their contents. There are also rules limiting how they can be stored, physically transported or electronically transmitted.

The legal basis for the classification system comes from the president’s constitutional authority as commander in chief. Presidents have established and developed it through a series of executives orders dating to the era encompassing World War II and the early Cold War. The current directive, Executive Order 13526, was issued by President Barack Obama in 2009.

Is the classification system enforced by criminal law?​

Largely not.

For the most part, the classification system is about bureaucratic controls. The main punishment for disobedience is administrative: Officials can be admonished, lose their security clearances and be fired.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

I find it suspect that the National Archives already went thru Trumps records some time back and OKed what he kept.

 

[NoSaintJoe]

I find it suspect that the National Archives already went thru Trumps records some time back and OKed what he kept.

Where did you hear that?
They have been “in negotiations“ since March for the return of docs, after the lawyers signed a statement that they had all been turned over, more were found.
they didn’t even get into the classified documents, just the ones under the PRA.

Inside the 20-Month Fight to Get Trump to Return Classified Material

The government tried repeatedly for more than a year and a half to get the former president to return documents from his time in office. Finally, it resorted to a search of his property and, eventually, criminal charges.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Ingomike]

Where did you hear that?
They have been “in negotiations“ since March for the return of docs, after the lawyers signed a statement that they had all been turned over, more were found.
they didn’t even get into the classified documents, just the ones under the PRA.

Inside the 20-Month Fight to Get Trump to Return Classified Material

The government tried repeatedly for more than a year and a half to get the former president to return documents from his time in office. Finally, it resorted to a search of his property and, eventually, criminal charges.

www.nytimes.com

That you cannot see this for what it is is telling as to where you are. It is a political witch hunt! It has never been done to any President. When a conservative group wanted access to Bill Clinton’s records the DOJ supported BC and a lefty federal judge Berman ruled as above. So now that it is Trump it goes differently?

I am sick of people that want to play heads they win tales conservatives lose…

 

[BugI02]

The other branches of a co equal tripartite Constitutional Republic.
if there are no checks and balances, then we have a king who answers to no one. That’s not freedom.

we don’t elect kings, the whole “no man is above the law” thing.

believe as you wish, but I won’t give Obama or Biden the authority you demand for Trump.

The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan — which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance — addresses this line of authority.

"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."


If you need a translation, the highest court in the land is saying The Constitution appoints the president as the highest military authority and congress has no authority to limit his ability to classify or declassify information

Go back to Kennedy's declassification of military reconnaissance imagery during the Cuban missile crisis and show me where he needed to get the joint chiefs to allow his publication of those photographs

 

[BugI02]

Article II

www.law.cornell.edu

article II if the United States Constitution.
in case anybody wants to actually read it

Section 2 paragraph 1

Or do you think CinC of the Army and Navy (no Air Force until 1947) is just some ceremonial title? Congress retains the power to declare war and fund it but has zero say in how military operations are actually conducted - witness that fact that Biden did not require their input or approval to turn tail and surrender Afghanistan (and billions in military equipment and facilities) to the Taliban

 

[1DOWN4UP]

I heard Obama's were in some unsecured warehouse in Hoffman Estates...but again,he wears the D.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

Where did you hear that?
They have been “in negotiations“ since March for the return of docs, after the lawyers signed a statement that they had all been turned over, more were found.
they didn’t even get into the classified documents, just the ones under the PRA.

Inside the 20-Month Fight to Get Trump to Return Classified Material

The government tried repeatedly for more than a year and a half to get the former president to return documents from his time in office. Finally, it resorted to a search of his property and, eventually, criminal charges.

www.nytimes.com

You do realize you are quoting the NY Times?

 

[Ingomike]

I heard Obama's were in some unsecured warehouse in Hoffman Estates...but again,he wears the D.

That is true…

 

[Ingomike]

You do realize you are quoting the NY Times?

Probably a new Alpo alias…

 

[NoSaintJoe]

That is true…

He declassified them with his mind

 

[printcraft]

I was hoping they would step away from the “trump Uber Ales”
after so many of the personalities have done depositions

Speak English please.

Basically an "indirect" swipe that they/Trump are nazi etc.

 

[NoSaintJoe]

Basically an "indirect" swipe that they/Trump are nazi etc.

Everyone I don’t like is
RINO
Liberal
Deep State
Swamp
Establishment
- Trump faithful

 

[Ingomike]

He declassified them with his mind

The magic of being CIC is he can literally do declassification on the toilet dropping a deuce or with his mind if he choose to. He was and still is the ultimate arbiter of what he declassified and no one has authority over it.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

The magic of being CIC is he can literally do declassification on the toilet dropping a deuce or with his mind if he choose to. He was and still is the ultimate arbiter of what he declassified and no one has authority over it.

I mean, if you can order pizza with your mind...