Drug test to attend homecoming dance?

[DoggyDaddy]

Random drug testing, IMO, does not infringe on one's freedom but rather help maximize an others.

Before constitutional carry became law, would you have been okay with the police pulling you over at random, without probable cause, just to search you and your car to make sure you weren't illegally in possession of a firearm? Random drug testing is the same principle. Commit a crime while under the influence? Get punished accordingly. Stopping random cars to see if they "might" be doing something illegal? Not okay. Investigating people without probable cause on the off chance that they may have used illegal drugs (not necessarily under the influence mind you) in the past several days is not okay with me.

 

[Creedmoor]

The "few" have difficulty managing themselves.

When the "few" have consequences that impact the majority, it become the responsibility to manage the few.

Freedom is not being able to whatever one wishes. In actuality, freedom is so subjective in infringes on everyone's freedom!

The goal is to manage through such obstacles with minimum rule and maximum positive outcomes.

Random drug testing, IMO, does not infringe on one's freedom but rather help maximize an others.

Hum, opposing views, you must be a democrat.

 

[Frosty]

As a person who doesn’t use drugs I view this as a potential income stream… clean specimen, $20

 

[Ziggidy]

Your point is some people suck, so everyone should be punished?

WHAT?

 

[NoSaintJoe]

Single dad here.
Both of my boys were unadoptable also.

Six Special Need Children, sounds like a business.

What, exactly, are you trying to say. In complete and clearly understood sentences…..please.
dont shilly shally, if you trying to make some kind of a statement, that you know absolutely nothing about, as a smart azz comeback from the peanut section. Please make it clear…………right f*cking now!

or stfu

 

[Ziggidy]

Hum, opposing views, you must be a democrat.

Hmmmm......I;ll admit I made that mistake once with Jimmy Carter, but then I woke up (not in today's meaning)

Let's say the speed limit is 30mph on your street. You have a nice home in a good neighborhood. You and the families have children that play outside. You have this one house in the middle of the block that frequently has a bunch of cars out there, drinking people partying all the time, foul language and constantly speeding down the street.

Are you suggesting that only a democrat would collectively talk to their neighbors to see what can be done to keep their children safe? Are you suggesting that is an infringement on some peoples life, to complain and possibly make up block rules?

 

[Ziggidy]

I think this is a touchy topic that has good arguments on both sides.

Of course, mine are right.

 

[Lpherr]

I haven't ever done drugs, maybe I should have, but what I do on my time, away from school, work, or whatever, is no one else's business.
Whether it's drugs, alcohol, firearms, or putting on a latex and fur costume to watch RuPaul.
If anything I do, doesn't directly affect anyone else, leave me be.

 

[Ziggidy]

Single dad here.
Both of my boys were unadoptable also.

Six Special Need Children, sounds like a business kind heart.

Fixed it for ya.....

 

[NoSaintJoe]

Fixed it for ya.....

Thank you
we were foster parents for years, took numerous classes and training to be Special Needs Fosters. Adopted one that stole our hearts.

implying some ignorant crap online that you would get decked for face to face, is not what I’m looking for in a forum of adults.
if that’s the standard, ban me now.

 

[Ziggidy]

Before constitutional carry became law, would you have been okay with the police pulling you over at random, without probable cause, just to search you and your car to make sure you weren't illegally in possession of a firearm? Random drug testing is the same principle. Commit a crime while under the influence? Get punished accordingly. Stopping random cars to see if they "might" be doing something illegal? Not okay. Investigating people without probable cause on the off chance that they may have used illegal drugs (not necessarily under the influence mind you) in the past several days is not okay with me.

The only difference is one is authorized by the individual and the other is not.

NO, I do not endorse random searches. The same goes for random alcohol checks on the road. If I choose to take the route, I give the authorization; if I don't then I take another route. If I want a job that does random testing, by me taking the job I accept that fact.

I think there are laws that protect us in these areas; however, if I want to go to homecoming and they are doing random testing, I accept that responsibility and automatically give authorization.

 

[Ziggidy]

Thank you
we were foster parents for years, took numerous classes and training to be Special Needs Fosters. Adopted one that stole our hearts.

implying some ignorant crap online that you would get decked for face to face, is not what I’m looking for in a forum of adults.
if that’s the standard, ban me now.

Stick around....there are always a few in every crowd. I still get blasted. Ya gotta be a bit tough to hang here. ALLOT of great hearts on this forum; as you will find out.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I still get blasted.

I thought you were against intoxicants!

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Not sure if everyone understands what is happening here (everywhere).

For decades I have heard the arguments, the pointed fingers, the accusations and oh so many excuses; but yet, here we are. Guns are a major problem, and have been for decades.There comes a time when people who fail to do their job forfeit their responsibility to another. There comes a time when the folks who want freedom so much they allow others to steal their freedom in the name of freedom; there is little or no freedoms left.

Fight for freedom? How? Stand for freedom? How? Allow everyone to own guns in the name of freedom? Freedom is not allowing anyone to do anything. It's not about arguing against restriction for the safety of the majority.

What I see here, sorry to say, is some people want the freedom to own guns and are willing sacrifice whatever it takes to obtain or keep that desired freedom. I have not seen responsibility practiced in a large enough environment to be convinced the outcomes can be acceptable, with minimal consequences.

We have family rules, societal rules, government rules for a reason. Yes, they can be (and are) taken advantage of but that is where "we the people" come in play. We need to make sure rules are not abused.

Sometimes denying rules can be as abusive as enforcing rules.

I changed just a couple of words, read it and tell me if you agree with your modified comment.

 

[Robert Richardson]

Would you want to prevent the consequences if was a danger to your children, family?

You mean like people carrying guns?

 

[NoSaintJoe]

Stick around....there are always a few in every crowd. I still get blasted. Ya gotta be a bit tough to hang here. ALLOT of great hearts on this forum; as you will find out.

I’m 60 years old, I’ve been on numerous gun forums for decades.
by definition, gun owners are responsible adults and can disagree without being insulting asshats.
I move to Indiana and find that isn‘t true.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

What, exactly, are you trying to say. In complete and clearly understood sentences…..please.
dont shilly shally, if you trying to make some kind of a statement, that you know absolutely nothing about, as a smart azz comeback from the peanut section. Please make it clear…………right f*cking now!

or stfu

I’m 60 years old, I’ve been on numerous gun forums for decades.
by definition, gun owners are responsible adults and can disagree without being insulting asshats.
I move to Indiana and find that isn‘t true.

Perhaps you should take your own advice.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

How many cubits do you plan on building it to?

I was just going to purchase 2nd hand. I Noah guy who has nice one that's only been used once, but it needs a deep cleaning due to pet hair.

 

[NoSaintJoe]

Perhaps you should take your own advice.

Thanks for your important input.

I’ll dismiss it now, after careful consideration of a reply that keeps with the standards of decent people.
perhaps you should consider joining.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I’m 60 years old, I’ve been on numerous gun forums for decades.
by definition, gun owners are responsible adults and can disagree without being insulting asshats.
I move to Indiana and find that isn‘t true.

Be definition, gun owners are people who own one or more guns. It implies exactly nothing else about them.