Drug test to attend homecoming dance?

[KLB]

The "few" have difficulty managing themselves.

When the "few" have consequences that impact the majority, it become the responsibility to manage the few.

Freedom is not being able to whatever one wishes. In actuality, freedom is so subjective in infringes on everyone's freedom!

The goal is to manage through such obstacles with minimum rule and maximum positive outcomes.

Random drug testing, IMO, does not infringe on one's freedom but rather help maximize an others.

Let's be honest, you aren't maximizing anyone's freedom drug testing kids for a dance. Someone taking drugs at some point before the dance does not impact the other kids at the dance in the least bit.

Did it say who was paying for the testing?

 

[NoSaintJoe]

You obviously didn't read my posts.

The same "old" arguments are those in favor of prohibition, of any kind.

I won't need to run for office. The writing is already on the wall for MJ at least.

Same old arguments on both sides.
mine is right though

 

[NoSaintJoe]

Technically he did ask for clarification, it was just a little more blunt than normal…

I just ignored him, I don’t usually do that.
but I’ve been hearing the same “points” since the hippies.

never by anyone actually affected by it.

Drugs v Society: How Drug Abuse Affects Society & What's the Cost?

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The Costs of Drug Use to Society

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www.verywellmind.com

The Link Between Child Abuse and Substance Abuse

Childhood trauma and abuse increases the risk of substance abuse later in life. Learn more about the link between child abuse and substance abuse, and discover treatment options today.

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[KLB]

Same old arguments on both sides.
mine is right though

So I asked you a couple of questions which you have ignored. Care to answer them?

Oh really? Where is the victim of someone smoking a joint? The vast majority of people that use drugs are not addicted and do not hurt others with their actions taking drugs.

So, shall we outlaw alcohol and cell phones?

 

[BigRed]

Did it say who was paying for the testing?

I'm sure they're "free"!

But what difference does cost make? If it saves only one.....

 

[KLB]

I'm sure they're "free"!

But what difference does cost make? If it saves only one.....

Person from being offended? It would only stop someone from attending the dance, not from taking drugs.

 

[BigRed]

Person from being offended? It would only stop someone from attending the dance, not from taking drugs.

I forgot to add....Think of the children!


Why do you hate children?

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Ive watched some documentaries from the 70s. It seems when one smoked marijuana all they want to do is dance. Just another way to hold down the little guy.

 

[Gabriel]

How did this all turn out? Did INGO solve the "doing drugs is a victimless crime and the school requiring testing is a violation of student's rights" vs "what if your kid died of an overdose" argument yet?

I didn't read any of this thread, but I'm pretty sure I know INGO.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Ive refrained from giving an opinion here, mainly because i really dont care either way. What i will say is, i think its another feel good measure that accomplishes nothing and costs the taxpayers. If the school district has the money to spare, i better not see 10 year old math books or ripped up history books being assigned.

Second, all the people who keep saying "its just giving up one little thing for the safety of the children"... seriously?! As a gun owner, you havent heard this argument made towards the freedom we love to exercise and swear to protect? It seems we only like freedom when its freedom we agree with.


Disgusting.


Now, back to your regularly scheduled program.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

How did this all turn out? Did INGO solve the "doing drugs is a victimless crime and the school requiring testing is a violation of student's rights" vs "what if your kid died of an overdose" argument yet?

I didn't read any of this thread, but I'm pretty sure I know INGO.

Drugs are bad, mmmmkay?

 

[Gabriel]

Drugs are bad, mmmmkay?

Doing drugs is a victimless crime, but I've seen some evidence that they aren't particularly good for you.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Doing drugs is a victimless crime, but I've seen some evidence that they aren't particularly good for you.

Agree, but neither is sugar, caffeine, cholesterol, and driving over 70mph... but kids are fat as **** and nobody at the schools are regulating that

 

[BigRed]

If the school district has the money to spare, i better not see 10 year old math books or ripped up history books being assigned.

I wonder if they even have enough funding for "drag queen story time" or "pride celebrations".

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I just ignored him, I don’t usually do that.
but I’ve been hearing the same “points” since the hippies.

never by anyone actually affected by it.

Drugs v Society: How Drug Abuse Affects Society & What's the Cost?

Need to know how drug abuse affects society? Learn some of the most important drug abuse facts and get help, here.

www.beachhouserehabcenter.com

The Costs of Drug Use to Society

Get information on the estimated cost of drug abuse in the United States—including illegal drugs, alcohol, and tobacco.

www.verywellmind.com

The Link Between Child Abuse and Substance Abuse

Childhood trauma and abuse increases the risk of substance abuse later in life. Learn more about the link between child abuse and substance abuse, and discover treatment options today.

americanaddictioncenters.org

Good thing we made drugs illegal and solved all that.

We haven't, and never can, arrest our way of the drug problem in the western world. It's too ingrained in the culture, too widely flouted, and too widely tolerated for laws to be effective. With significantly harsh penalties and wide cultural buy in you can tamp it down pretty effectively, but we don't have either of those. Confusing the arguments against drug laws vs drug use often gets people where you are at the moment with respect to other posters. I've never used drugs beyond alcohol and have done without prescription pain meds when offered. I routinely see the murders over the 'victimless crime' of the drug trade. But the war on drugs has been a failure, and will continue to be a failure, without an underlying culture shift.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Good thing we made drugs illegal and solved all that.

We haven't, and never can, arrest our way of the drug problem in the western world. It's too ingrained in the culture, too widely flouted, and too widely tolerated for laws to be effective. With significantly harsh penalties and wide cultural buy in you can tamp it down pretty effectively, but we don't have either of those. Confusing the arguments against drug laws vs drug use often gets people where you are at the moment with respect to other posters. I've never used drugs beyond alcohol and have done without prescription pain meds when offered. I routinely see the murders over the 'victimless crime' of the drug trade. But the war on drugs has been a failure, and will continue to be a failure, without an underlying culture shift.

I never did drugs, but have friends that do. Honestly, being around someone who is drunk is worse than being around someone who is stoned. Of course, i cant speak for being around people who use hard drugs, ive cut ties with anyone i found out who did. My little brother died of heroin, straight a's growing up, played bssketball all 4 years of high school, wouldnt get in a car that smelled like cigarette smoke. Dont know how or why he started using, but when he did i told him not to come around anymore. He died shortly after and thats my biggest regret.


Pain pills however, yes, i have taken them. I was prescribed after my tonsillectomy, and after 2 weeks of taking them daily when i stopped i was an emotional mess. Never again. They helped knock the edge off, and im thankful i had them, but wow that withdrawal is horrible.

 

[BigRed]

without an underlying culture shift.

Somebody should make a law to shift the culture.

 

[Creedmoor]

Free to express is not free to insult.
“six foster kids sounds like a business” is an insult and an attack on my motives.

Change my mind.

 

[Creedmoor]

Oh well that guy is just an a-hole.

Even more so when you meet him.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Let's give this thread a break for a while.