House Dems pushing SemiAutomatic Weapons ban.

[KG1]

Schumer will pressure Manchin and Sinema to nuke the filibuster but predict that will be a no-go, with Manchin in particular. The House got the bill through so reps could go on the break back to their districts and use it as vote stumping fodder. You would think that the Republican senators would know by now there is no placating or appeasing the Democrats. None of this bill would pass SCOTUS review. It would be declared unconstitutional in its entirety. Welcome to Kabuki Theater.

John

We shall see if they hold true to their word and not vote to end the filibuster rule. If they hold the line then this bill shouldn't even come up before a committee.

Also, I believe Shumer has said before that he will not bring it up for consideration if there isn't a chance that it will get past a filibuster but we all know that the forked tonged snake cannot be trusted. Hell we don't even know if the GOP can be trusted anymore but I do think it will be a difficult task to get 10 GOP Senators to cross over on this one as is.

 

[KG1]

In summary Pelosi initially pulled the bill because she couldn't get the votes. I guess a number of Democrats, especially the black caucus would not vote for the bill as it stood because the police funding provision did'nt go far enough in the language in terms of addressing accountability to their liking, so to get them onboard Pelosi removed the police funding provisions for now to be addressed at a later date.

 

[rooster]

Roe v wade got overturned and suddenly Reddit dems are pro gun

 

[BigRed]

black caucus

An organization that excludes others based on race....but not racist.

 

[KG1]

Still wouldn't pass muster with SCOTUS and I predict it would be swiftly struck down. The bill I worry about is the H.R. 2814, the 2005 PLCAA Repeal that would bankrupt the entire firearm industry in the U.S. with an avalanche of lawsuits. It has been passed out of committee and predict it's next to get ramrodded through the House. As bad as the attempt to bankrupt the entire firearm industry, it is makes ATF 4473 gun trace data public information. If that goes into law, all the guns you bought via a 4473 become public information so that the entire universe knows what you bought and when.

John

I agree that the proposal to repeal PLCAA is the more concerning one. Bankrupting the firearm industry is their new focus because they know that it is an uphill battle to get gun and magazine bans to pass Constitutional muster. Even then I can't see it getting past the Senate though if it gets passed by the House. But then again anything isn't outside the realm of possibility with these congress critters anymore

Still have'nt heard anything yet about if the House took it up yesterday and voted on it after a long day tied up passing the AWB or if they kicked the can down the road until they return from break later in August.

 

[JAL]

If, by chance this was to get through the senate (God forbid), how would this affect the sale of over the counter parts? uppers, barrels, triggers......etc.

As I read the bill, it would only affect the serialized "receiver" that requires transfer by an FFL and ATF 4473 as defined by the ATF. In other words, you wouldn't be able to buy a stripped or partially assembled "lower" receiver with a serial number. It doesn't ban parts. The bill's operative text isn't that long. The lists of banned rifles and pistols, and and exempted ones are quite long. Note that it bans all rifles and shotguns with folding stocks, and all rifles, shotguns and pistols with barrel shrouds. Also bans all "pistols" with separate magazine well (i.e. magazine not in pistol grip).

H.R.1808 PDF

John

 

[dak109]

What’s the word on Daniel Defense and Ruger caving? Anything to it or just rumor?

 

[chipbennett]

The senate can change the rules and nuke the super majority rule to pass it.
IIRC they can only do that 2 or 3 times per session and have done it just once I think this session.

That would require the support of Manchin and Sinema, both of whom a) are likely opposed to such a bill to begin with, b) have come out as being generally against eliminating the 60-vote cloture limit (i.e. the filibuster), and c) know that their states (WV, AZ) will end their senate careers if they help get this bill passed.

 

[KG1]

What’s the word on Daniel Defense and Ruger caving? Anything to it or just rumor?

Have'nt heard anything about that. AFAIK they were refusing to accept the premise that they are responsible for a third part committing a criminal act with one of their firearms.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

What’s the word on Daniel Defense and Ruger caving? Anything to it or just rumor?

I’d heard that during their testimonies the other day, whoever the democrat was the talk show I was listening to was poking at, wouldn’t let them answer questions. She’d ask a leading question and when they attempted to give an answer, she’d simply start talking over them. I can’t say if something other than that happened.

 

[chipbennett]

What’s the word on Daniel Defense and Ruger caving? Anything to it or just rumor?

Caving? To what?

 

[chipbennett]

I’d heard that during their testimonies the other day, whoever the democrat was the talk show I was listening to was poking at, wouldn’t let them answer questions. She’d ask a leading question and when they attempted to give an answer, she’d simply start talking over them. I can’t say if something other than that happened.

Was this when AOC was getting all hot and bothered about someone in a gun ad who had a completely benign tattoo?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Was this when AOC was getting all hot and bothered about someone in a gun ad who had a completely benign tattoo?

I don’t think that was the one. It was one of those things I had on in the background while I was working so I didn’t get all the details. (I’m terrible about remembering names anyway.)

 

[KG1]

I don’t think that was the one. It was one of those things I had on in the background while I was working so I didn’t get all the details. (I’m terrible about remembering names anyway.)

Can't remember her name either but I think it was the committee chairperson that kept doing that.

 

[dak109]

Not sure. Something about testifying to keep their guns off the list

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Can't remember the name either but I think it was the committee chairperson that kept doing that.

Yeah…is it the woman running against Jerry Nadler for that seat they lost?

 

[KellyinAvon]

Might be a little rough...

Senator,

I am writing to urge your opposition to HR 1808 (Assault Weapons Ban.) This is a blatant and overt attack on the Constitutional Rights of Americans.

“In common use at the time for lawful purposes”. This phrase appeared in the recent New York State Rifle and Pistol Association (NYSRPA) v Bruen (2022) decision and was also in DC v Heller decision (2008), which cited US v Miller (1939) concerning rights affirmed by the 2nd Amendment.

In recent data released by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, there are an estimated 24.4 million AR and AK platform semi-automatic sport rifles in private hands. Year in and year out, FBI-Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) data shows more people are murdered with blunt objects than ALL rifles combined. The term “in common use at the time for lawful purposes” clearly applies here.

Cosmetic features once again are the driver of what needs to be banned according to the democrats. It was a driver for the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban as well. An Analyst with the National Institute of Justice called the affect of any future ban “small at best, possibly too small for reliable measurement”. Decades of FBI-UCR data bear this out as well.

In the light of the recent Bruen decision, the House democrats have fell back on a tactic used when the laws and the courts won’t do their bidding: litigate the industry out of existence. The attempted repeal of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (2005) is nothing short of an end-run on an entire industry. How many Americans work in this industry?

HR 1808 passed at a particularly concerning time in our Nation’s history. The current Attorney General has called parents who speak in opposition to policies at school board meetings domestic terrorists. Agencies in the Attorney Generals chain of command have shown an outright willingness to pursue political ends. Put simply, this bill must be soundly defeated.

Thank you,



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[Ark]

You would think that the Republican senators would know by now there is no placating or appeasing the Democrats.

You would freaking think, but Todd Young and a bunch of the other Republicans did exactly that just a month or two ago and all they got for it was encouraging the Democrats to railroad this one through.

 

[JAL]

Might be a little rough...

Senator,

I am writing to urge your opposition to HR 1808 (Assault Weapons Ban.) This is a blatant and overt attack on the Constitutional Rights of Americans.
. . .

Do not forget about H.R.2814, the bill to repeal 2005 PLCAA, which insulates firearm manufacturers from lawsuits about crimes committed by persons possessing firearms they made. The PLCAA was passed in 2005 when a series of groups began precipitating an avalanche of lawsuits with firearm manufacturers. The goal was not prevailing in court with judgements, it was bankrupting the manufacturers with millions of court cases and their litigation costs. California is now attempting this with Newsom bragging that firearm companies, FFL dealers will now be driven out of business with 40 million lawsuits each, along with individual firearm owners. Doesn't matter if a lawsuit has merit, only that it costs many thousands to even start a defense for each one. Don't defend against one? Expect summary judgement for whatever the plaintiff is claiming.

John

 

[BigRed]

Schumer will pressure Manchin and Sinema to nuke the filibuster but predict that will be a no-go, with Manchin in particular. The House got the bill through so reps could go on the break back to their districts and use it as vote stumping fodder. You would think that the Republican senators would know by now there is no placating or appeasing the Democrats. None of this bill would pass SCOTUS review. It would be declared unconstitutional in its entirety. Welcome to Kabuki Theater.

John

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Robert Lewis Dabney
1871